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Chris Davis did not know the Orioles had Offered an Extension?


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Did not realize that was a sealed deal...my bad.

So depressing because I really really wanna see at least one of Matt or Chris stay here but unless Chris drops off precipitously I am gonna guess he tests the market as well. If he puts up the numbers I think he can and will it becomes less likely he signs IMO.

Chris may say all the right things when it comes to contracts, the reality though is that Boras is not a guy you retain as an agent unless you want to be paid when it really matters. Period the end. Everything about Boras from his negotiating style to his marketing speaks to and is directed at clients whose primary interest is to want to maximize their earning potential. I love Chris Davis and honestly if I were him and I got one crack at this bonanza then I would want a guy like Boras to represent me and make sure I get as much I can. If I were interested in making my home were I play now, if I wanted to stay and give a significant home team discount then Boras is not the guy who is going to appeal to me. I hope I am dead wrong about it and CD signs a team friendly deal but I am not holding my breath. My guess is that if he signs its only cause the O's heaved stacks and stacks of cash on the table and that is not their style obviously.

Obviously it's not. I was agreeing. Extending Hardy means one of them is gone.

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Thus sayeth our resident baseball expert. Move along nothing to see here.

"Hey Chris! Just giving you a heads-up, we're sending some materials to Scott regarding an extension. Looking forward to hearing back from you guys; hope the off-season is going well!"

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Even that might be a little rich. Are you saying 7 years after this year's $10.3 mm deal, or including this season? Either way, Davis will be at least 35 when that deal ends, maybe 36. He's not a free agent until his age 31 season. I'd probably do 7/$115 mm including this year's $10 mm as part of that, but that is about the most I'd go. That would basically look like this:

2014 - $10 mm

2015 - $15 mm

2016 - $18 mm

2017 - $18 mm

2018 - $18 mm

2019 - $18 mm

2020 - $18 mm

I know some will feel that's very cheap, but right now I'm thinking of Davis as more likely an .850ish OPS guy than a .900ish guy.

Chris Davis is currently 27, he will be 28 this March 17th. He will be 29 as a Free Agent in fall 2015.
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Chris Davis is currently 27, he will be 28 this March 17th. He will be 29 as a Free Agent in fall 2015.

I stand corrected, I was off by a year. But I don't care about what age he'll be during the 2015 offseason. I care about what ages he'll be when he fulfills his contract. A 7-year deal starting now would take him though age 34, or age 35 if the deal didn't start until 2015.

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Even that might be a little rich. Are you saying 7 years after this year's $10.3 mm deal, or including this season? Either way, Davis will be at least 35 when that deal ends, maybe 36. He's not a free agent until his age 31 season. I'd probably do 7/$115 mm including this year's $10 mm as part of that, but that is about the most I'd go. That would basically look like this:

2014 - $10 mm

2015 - $15 mm

2016 - $18 mm

2017 - $18 mm

2018 - $18 mm

2019 - $18 mm

2020 - $18 mm

I know some will feel that's very cheap, but right now I'm thinking of Davis as more likely an .850ish OPS guy than a .900ish guy.

Basically what you are saying here is that you don't want to sign Davis. Boras is not going to allow Davis to sign for 7/115. It too low for what he can potential get as a FA.

You say he will get a contract that goes until he is 35 or 36 and then you offer one that stops at 34. That will not fly.

If Davis is not signed by July he will go free agent because Boras will say he is only a year away for FA. The O's have to make a decision if they want Davis in the middle of the order for the next 7 to 8 years this off season. That is their window to decide.

I think the O's should sign Davis because not many players of his talent want to come to the Orioles. They will pick bigger markets and bigger revenue producing clubs. DD as already called Davis a superstar. The O's need to keep him. What will it take to get Boras and Davis to sign. I think 8/146M is about where it needs to go to get Boras to agree.

2014 - 10m

2015 - 16M

2016 - 2021 at 20M

That is Davis' age 28 through 35 years.

Is that a good deal for the O's? If Davis averages 40 HR and 100 RBI over the term and plays a good 1B, I think it is. It give the O's a core player to build around.

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Basically what you are saying here is that you don't want to sign Davis. Boras is not going to allow Davis to sign for 7/115. It too low for what he can potential get as a FA.

You say he will get a contract that goes until he is 35 or 36 and then you offer one that stops at 34. That will not fly.

If Davis is not signed by July he will go free agent because Boras will say he is only a year away for FA. The O's have to make a decision if they want Davis in the middle of the order for the next 7 to 8 years this off season. That is their window to decide.

I think the O's should sign Davis because not many players of his talent want to come to the Orioles. They will pick big markets and big revenue producing club. DD as already called Davis a superstar. The O's need to keep him. What will it take to get Boras and Davis to sign. I think 8/146M is about where it needs to go to get Boras to agree.

2014 - 10m

2015 - 16M

2016 - 2021 at 20M

That is Davis' age 28 through 35 years.

Is that a good deal for the O's? If Davis averages 40 HR and 100 RBI over the term and plays a good 1B, I think it is. It give the O's a core player to build around.

First of all, my opinion changes a little now that El Gordo points out that I was a year off on Davis' age. I'd probably do the 7/$115 mm deal. But when you talk about what Davis "potential[ly]" can get as a free agent, I have to stop you. You can't say what Davis potentially will get as a free agent without making assumptions about what Davis will do the next two seasons. What are your assumptions? I've already told you mine -- that Davis is more likely to be an .850ish OPS guy than a .900ish OPS guy. Do you agree with that, or not? If you agree, do you think a 1B with an .850ish OPS is worth $20 mm/yr?

Mark Teixeira has an .894 career OPS, and it was .923 when he signed his deal with the Yankees.

Joey Votto has a .960 career OPS, .958 when he signed his deal.

Prince Fielder has a .916 career OPS, .929 when he signed his deal.

Adrian Gonzalez has an .869 career OPS, .875 when he signed his deal.

Chris Davis has an .840 career OPS right now. Now, you can say he never got full-time opportunities until joining the Orioles, but the fact is that Teixeira, Votto, Fielder and Gonzalez had been stars for many years before they signed their deals. They didn't have just one great season.

As I said earlier, 40 HR simply doesn't tell me enough. What is his BA and OBP? Adam Dunn has never come close to making $20 mm in a year, despite hitting 40 HR six times.

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First of all, my opinion changes a little now that El Gordo points out that I was a year off on Davis' age. I'd probably do the 7/$115 mm deal. But when you talk about what Davis "potential[ly]" can get as a free agent, I have to stop you. You can't say what Davis potentially will get as a free agent without making assumptions about what Davis will do the next two seasons. What are your assumptions? I've already told you mine -- that Davis is more likely to be an .850ish OPS guy than a .900ish OPS guy. Do you agree with that, or not? If you agree, do you think a 1B with an .850ish OPS is worth $20 mm/yr?

Mark Teixeira has an .894 career OPS, and it was .923 when he signed his deal with the Yankees.

Joey Votto has a .960 career OPS, .958 when he signed his deal.

Prince Fielder has a .916 career OPS, .929 when he signed his deal.

Adrian Gonzalez has an .869 career OPS, .875 when he signed his deal.

Chris Davis has an .840 career OPS right now. Now, you can say he never got full-time opportunities until joining the Orioles, but the fact is that Teixeira, Votto, Fielder and Gonzalez had been stars for many years before they signed their deals. They didn't have just one great season.

As I said earlier, 40 HR simply doesn't tell me enough. What is his BA and OBP? Adam Dunn has never come close to making $20 mm in a year, despite hitting 40 HR six times.

Davis OPS last year was 1.004. I don't think he projects to do that again next year. But I think he has shown the ability to do it again something in the next 5 years. Is he a 900 OPS guy? Well, some where around there. Maybe a little higher or lower over a 8 year contract. He has now figured out how to do in the majors what he did in the minors. He seem solidly built so injuries are not a great concern. He is a good guy with good values. The kind of guy that the O's should want to build around. Most of the time there is something glaring that shows a red flag about signing a guy long term. Wieters has his offensive issues. Fielder has his weight. Cabrera is not the best defensive player. Adam has his lack of OBP. I don't see that with Davis. He is pretty darn solid now he has been giving the opportunity to show his ability.

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Davis OPS last year was 1.004. I don't think he projects to do that again next year. But I think he has shown the ability to do it again something in the next 5 years. Is he a 900 OPS guy? Well, some where around there. Maybe a little higher or lower over a 8 year contract. He has now figured out how to do in the majors what he did in the minors. He seem solidly built so injuries are not a great concern. He is a good guy with good values. The kind of guy that the O's should want to build around. Most of the time there is something glaring that shows a red flag about signing a guy long term. Wieters has his offensive issues. Fielder has his weight. Cabrera is not the best defensive player. Adam has his lack of OBP. I don't see that with Davis. He is pretty darn solid now he has been giving the opportunity to show his ability.

Adam was signed mid season. Chris will be signed mid season.

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