Orioles and Rockies engaged in " ongoing trade talks " on Colorado outfielders

[TheDirtyBird]

My friends who are fans of the Phillies always crack jokes about "the mythical Dylan Bundy" and if he actually exists or not. Hell at this point I don't know if he does. Really does feel like we're going to spend the life of his contract referring to what he was or could be rather than the often injured former prospect. I'd be fine moving him, not sure if it's for Cargo but I might be open to it

[Mayor McCheese]

I am not sure how trading Bundy, Gausman, etc. for CarGo helps this team. Our biggest need was starting pitching and we haven't made one move to improve our rotation. Trading any pitchers or any pitching prospects for a player that has 2 seasons remaining seems like a really really bad idea.

[isestrex]

I still like Dickerson over the other choices. He had an injury last season but if you look at his numbes in 2014 they are very impressive for a 24 year old outfielder. He hit 24 homers .312 average and OBP of .364. His road splits were not horrible for a 24 year old playing in some big parks in the N.L. West. The foot injury is a concern but it also may make him cost less. I don't think we have the prospcts to get Gargo without giving up Gausman or Harvey which i would not trade. Bundy is 50/50 and that would determine how the organiztion feels about how he looks now and if they think he could pitch in the pen this year.

Coming into 2015, he had by far the best outlook of any of their outfielders. Then he developed plantar fasciitis and missed 97 games last year... not in one chunk, but off and on as he continued to come and go.

Plantar fasciitis is horrible. The only way to recover is to avoid physical activity for about a year. That's the only cure. The problem is, once you begin recovering and start sitting around the house, you feel 100% fine. You could even take a sprint every now and then and feel great! But the PF will flair up quickly if you continue to use exertion. As such, players recovering from PF beg to return to the lineup only to get shut back down in a yo-yo pattern. It took Albert Pujols 3 years of this off and on recovery, which included playing through the pain and sitting out for large chunks, before he finally said he was free of it. Nene (on the Wizards) is still bouncing on and off the DL from it for his 3rd straight year. There are many other examples and they all handle it the same. You get medocre and occasional production from them for multiple years while they fight through this before then eventually emerge cured.

Dickerson will be a great OF one day but he's only 1 year into recovery, and the Rockies (who knew they weren't winning the division even in April) didn't do what they should have done which is to shut him down for the entire season. Instead they rested him for a few months and brought him back because "he felt fine" and naturally it flared right back up. It will continue to do so for whichever team has him for the next few seasons until his body fully heals it.

We don't want Dickerson.

[mskrulz]

I am not sure how trading Bundy, Gausman, etc. for CarGo helps this team. Our biggest need was starting pitching and we haven't made one move to improve our rotation. Trading any pitchers or any pitching prospects for a player that has 2 seasons remaining seems like a really really bad idea.

Bundy will not be a starting pitcher this year. Bundy is always injured and may become a good player but it's time to get worth for him while you still can.

[Babypowder]

Coming into 2015, he had by far the best outlook of any of their outfielders. Then he developed plantar fasciitis and missed 97 games last year... not in one chunk, but off and on as he continued to come and go.

Plantar fasciitis is horrible. The only way to recover is to avoid physical activity for about a year. That's the only cure. The problem is, once you begin recovering and start sitting around the house, you feel 100% fine. You could even take a sprint every now and then and feel great! But the PF will flair up quickly if you continue to use exertion. As such, players recovering from PF beg to return to the lineup only to get shut back down in a yo-yo pattern. It took Albert Pujols 3 years of this off and on recovery, which included playing through the pain and sitting out for large chunks, before he finally said he was free of it. Nene (on the Wizards) is still bouncing on and off the DL from it for his 3rd straight year. There are many other examples and they all handle it the same. You get medocre and occasional production from them for multiple years while they fight through this before then eventually emerge cured.

Dickerson will be a great OF one day but he's only 1 year into recovery, and the Rockies (who knew they weren't winning the division even in April) didn't do what they should have done which is to shut him down for the entire season. Instead they rested him for a few months and brought him back because "he felt fine" and naturally it flared right back up. It will continue to do so for whichever team has him for the next few seasons until his body fully heals it.

We don't want Dickerson.

With the right rehab specialist, this isn't necessarily true. I struggled with plantar fasciitis, among other foot ailments from A LOT of indoor soccer on hard turf. It was causing a lot of pain during soccer, softball, football, and basketball. Hell, I was even having trouble bowling. The plantar lingered long enough for me to finally go see a doctor (my brother, who lives 5 minutes from me, how stubborn can someone be to wait a couple months for that?). He gave me a host of exercises to do to not only rehab the injury but to correct the posture and gait issues that were causing my foot problems. I was totally better in about a month and have had no issues since. That was probably around 3 years ago. With proper treatment, it can be fixed and fixed quickly.

If you are working with a doctor stuck in 1985, like way too many of them, maybe not so much.

[DrungoHazewood]

If you are working with a doctor stuck in 1985, like way too many of them, maybe not so much.

If thinking like it's 1985 works so well for baseball wouldn't it follow that it works equally well for orthopaedic physicians?

[Frobby]

With the right rehab specialist, this isn't necessarily true. I struggled with plantar fasciitis, among other foot ailments from A LOT of indoor soccer on hard turf. It was causing a lot of pain during soccer, softball, football, and basketball. Hell, I was even having trouble bowling. The plantar lingered long enough for me to finally go see a doctor (my brother, who lives 5 minutes from me, how stubborn can someone be to wait a couple months for that?). He gave me a host of exercises to do to not only rehab the injury but to correct the posture and gait issues that were causing my foot problems. I was totally better in about a month and have had no issues since. That was probably around 3 years ago. With proper treatment, it can be fixed and fixed quickly.

If you are working with a doctor stuck in 1985, like way too many of them, maybe not so much.

I'm sure that like many things, all cases of plantar fasciitis are not the same. I had a mild case a few years ago that went away with rest. I can think of a few athletes who had it, who were able to get back on the court within a couple of months.

And as to you, if my brother was a doctor I'd have been in his face the minute it started bothering me. Unfortunately, my brother is a tax lawyer.

[joeyc]

Why do you think the Orioles are going to do anything? What have they done, in the past off seasons to make you really think they are going to make a big splash? I can't come up with an off season with a splash since we signed Tejada, Palmeiro and Lopez. That was so long ago I can hardly remember it. I think we end up with what we got now. Or make more minor moves for wantabee's and hasbeens. That's what I'm used to seeing from the O's off seasons. It looks like it's going that route too because they aren't doing anything, which is the same old pattern.

[DrungoHazewood]

I am not sure how trading Bundy, Gausman, etc. for CarGo helps this team. Our biggest need was starting pitching and we haven't made one move to improve our rotation. Trading any pitchers or any pitching prospects for a player that has 2 seasons remaining seems like a really really bad idea.

I'm not in favor of trading Bundy when his value is near nothing. But the Orioles' biggest need is talent. They don't have a gatekeeper at the playoff gate where they don't let you in if your team isn't balanced enough.

[hoosiers]

I hope our target is Dickerson and maybe we are seeing what pitchers of the Wright variety we can acquire him with.

It would have to be a real patient and risk-on GM to acquire the oft-injured Bundy who would most certainly have an IP limitation for this year and possibly next. So anyone trading for Bundy would be hoping for him to not only be injury free and effective, but also would not an important contributor until 2017/18. Not sure he is a desired trade chip and we would definitely be selling low.

[mskrulz]

Why do you think the Orioles are going to do anything? What have they done, in the past off seasons to make you really think they are going to make a big splash? I can't come up with an off season with a splash since we signed Tejada, Palmeiro and Lopez. That was so long ago I can hardly remember it. I think we end up with what we got now. Or make more minor moves for wantabee's and hasbeens. That's what I'm used to seeing from the O's off seasons. It looks like it's going that route too because they aren't doing anything, which is the same old pattern.

Dude...This is a forum for baseball discussion. It's fine that you have that opinion but re-hashing the same thing on every thread is tiresome to read. Keep your opinion but maybe don't join a message board patterned for discussion.

[Mayor McCheese]

Why do you think the Orioles are going to do anything? What have they done, in the past off seasons to make you really think they are going to make a big splash? I can't come up with an off season with a splash since we signed Tejada, Palmeiro and Lopez. That was so long ago I can hardly remember it. I think we end up with what we got now. Or make more minor moves for wantabee's and hasbeens. That's what I'm used to seeing from the O's off seasons. It looks like it's going that route too because they aren't doing anything, which is the same old pattern.

Oh that's golden....

[mskrulz]

I'm not in favor of trading Bundy when his value is near nothing. But the Orioles' biggest need is talent. They don't have a gatekeeper at the playoff gate where they don't let you in if your team isn't balanced enough.

I would agree but if you get one of those three OF for him then his value wouldn't be near nothing I guess.

[Creamsicle]

If ee cummings was a member of OH, this is what his posts would look like.

I want an all-haiku thread please

[Babypowder]

I'm sure that like many things, all cases of plantar fasciitis are not the same. I had a mild case a few years ago that went away with rest. I can think of a few athletes who had it, who were able to get back on the court within a couple of months.

And as to you, if my brother was a doctor I'd have been in his face the minute it started bothering me. Unfortunately, my brother is a tax lawyer.

Of course, every injury is different, as are every doctor and patient. I'm just saying that plantar fasciitis isn't necessarily a serious lingering issue that should be uniformly avoided in athletes.