DD, Eating Crow

[Stotle]

What would you have done? Fister or Latos? Boy they look good. Leake got 5/80 with an mutual option for a 6th to pitch for STL in the NL. What would the O's have had to offer him to pitch here? Or Kaznir even if PA permitted opt outs. Really there weren't many other options.

I would have signed Latos instead of Gallardo if that's the choice. Of course, you asked yesterday and I told you. Now you ask again. I think we have a .500 team at best. I would have spent about 50M less and I think I could have put together something similar and kept the #14 pick and gotten some extra picks.

Latos would never have passed the O's physical.

I'll never understand why people indulge this game.

"What would you do?"

"Maybe this?"

"Nope that would not work."

"Maybe something along these lines?"

"Hmmm. I'm gonna say, nope again. Anything else or ready to admit there was only one reasonable course of action and the front office took it?"

"Wait, wait. How about maybe this -- Team A did it. Or maybe this -- Team B did it."

"No, only Team A and Team B can do those things."

"..."

It's like playing Star Wars with my five year old. You never really know what the rules are so you kind of just go along with whatever -- but you can always be certain the end result is going to be something along the lines of, "You lost."

[weams]

I'll never understand why people indulge this game.

"What would you do?"

"Maybe this?"

"Nope that would not work."

"Maybe something along these lines?"

"Hmmm. I'm gonna say, nope again. Anything else or ready to admit there was only one reasonable course of action and the front office took it?"

"Wait, wait. How about maybe this -- Team A did it. Or maybe this -- Team B did it."

"No, only Team A and Team B can do those things."

"..."

It's like playing Star Wars with my five year old. You never really know what the rules are so you kind of just go along with whatever -- but you can always be certain the end result is going to be something along the lines of, "You lost."

I agree completely. The Orioles are winning at the game the way the rules are written. Not the imaginary ones.

And "dad" you are supposed to let five year olds win

[weams]

Or that Dexter Fowler is currently 4th in the ML in WAR...

What is Schwarber's WAR going to end up this season?

[Stotle]

What would you have done? Fister or Latos? Boy they look good. Leake got 5/80 with an mutual option for a 6th to pitch for STL in the NL. What would the O's have had to offer him to pitch here? Or Kaznir even if PA permitted opt outs. Really there weren't many other options.

I would have signed Latos instead of Gallardo if that's the choice. Of course, you asked yesterday and I told you. Now you ask again. I think we have a .500 team at best. I would have spent about 50M less and I think I could have put together something similar and kept the #14 pick and gotten some extra picks.

Latos would never have passed the O's physical.

I agree completely. The Orioles are winning at the game the way the rules are written. Not the imaginary ones.

And "dad" you are supposed to let five year olds win

Of course. But does that mean I have to do it on a message board too?

[hoosiers]

I am enjoying the start to the season and agree that Schoop looks like he is ready to take another step forward.

If we can divide the early results of teams in the haves and have nots, I would not know where to put the Os, but I know where I would not put us - we are not a "have not" team. I think both Minn and TB look like have nots IMO - though we were fortunate to swap out Smyly and get Odorizzi.

I am not sold on our pitching staff at all and still think it will be average, but we only need a strong start and to look good into June/July for DD to make a major move for a pitcher to really improve the outlook for the team.

[Redskins Rick]

I disagree, probably because I was one of his critics this past winter. Almost everyone acknowledges that he had a bad year the previous off season. Most of his moves didn't work out. His state of the union after the 2015 season was to improve the starting pitching and he did not. He made a lot of "now" moves which I thought were a mistake based on last season. I'm real happy about the first six games and hope it continues and if we have a good season, I'll happily admit to being wrong.

Still, it's way to early to pass judgment one way or the other. This is a message board. It's for opinions. I don't think any opinion is silly if you can back it up with well reasoned logic.

He did state, he wanted to improve the pitching, but you have to admit free agent prices went through the roof, and not sure anybody expected it to go as crazy as it did.

David Price is a very good pitcher. IMO David Price is not worth 31 million a year.

Not every pitcher available, was worthy of picking up either, some were available, for a good reason. Again, IMO.

[LookitsPuck]

I'd gladly eat crow...if this starting pitching ends up good. But as of now: a velocity deprived Gallardo, an old mechanic driven Ubaldo, Chris Tillman, an injured Gausman and the WWW (Wright, Wilson, Worley) rotation isn't exactly awe inducing.

Duquette said he wanted to focus on starting pitching. I can't say he's done that.

[pastorfan]

I find it hilarious that DD could never have a losing season during his tenure with the Os and folks would still find a way to discredit him.

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I didn't discredit him, I'm simply making the point that Buck is the one making this team successful. DD's signing of Chen was a great move and he did get Miller, though at a high cost. Other than that, what has he done?

[Bahama O's Fan]

I didn't discredit him, I'm simply making the point that Buck is the one making this team successful. DD's signing of Chen was a great move and he did get Miller, though at a high cost. Other than that, what has he done?

Wow! No idea where to begin on that one. It might deserve its own thread

[Redskins Rick]

Wow! No idea where to begin on that one. It might deserve its own thread

or read some past threads on this topic.

People love to give all the credit to Andy or all the credit to DD.

IMO, a lot of credit needs to goto both individuals.

[Palmoripken]

or read some past threads on this topic.

People love to give all the credit to Andy or all the credit to DD.

IMO, a lot of credit needs to goto both individuals.

I see Andy as the one who set up the foundation i.e. Adam, Manny, Schoop, Hardy, Tillman but that Dan finished it with guys like Chen, Cruz, Miller, and others. They both have their pros and cons as executives. I'm just happy that we've made it in the playoffs. In 2012, I remember thinking we never would make it into the playoffs again.

[Redskins Rick]

I see Andy as the one who set up the foundation i.e. Adam, Manny, Schoop, Hardy, Tillman but that Dan finished it with guys like Chen, Cruz, Miller, and others. They both have their pros and cons as executives. I'm just happy that we've made it in the playoffs. In 2012, I remember thinking we never would make it into the playoffs again.

I agree, but we are probably in the minority on this opinion.

[weams]

I see Andy as the one who set up the foundation i.e. Adam, Manny, Schoop, Hardy, Tillman but that Dan finished it with guys like Chen, Cruz, Miller, and others. They both have their pros and cons as executives. I'm just happy that we've made it in the playoffs. In 2012, I remember thinking we never would make it into the playoffs again.

Andy has not won,. Since the Twins. Oh. Those Many Years. Ago.

[Bahama O's Fan]

It seems to me that Andy knows how to build a good "base" but lacks the vision to see what is necessary to get the final pieces.

[Palmoripken]

It seems to me that Andy knows how to build a good "base" but lacks the vision to see what is necessary to get the final pieces.

Yes, that's my thought as well.