Duquette on Hunter Harvey - "Looks like he's having TJ" (Surgery Scheduled)

[McLovin]

Source Duq:

ESPN Podcast - Olney talks to Duquette

Confirms at about 3:30, elaborates at 4:00.

"Looks like Hunter Harvey is going to have to have surgery."

"We've been trying to see if he could pitch with it...but he had another setback...and it looks like he's going to need ligament replacement."

[Just Regular]

Interesting listen, thanks for posting. Some notes

Duquette said pitching market is thinnest he's seen.

Olney asked about 1st place/28th starters ERA/30th starters IP trifecta, and Duq went right to Schoop/Machado and Brach/Britton.

Teammates thought Schoop's eye improved late last year, and it's carried through.

Olney noted Orioles have 4 of top 9 least fastballs seen - Duq says that's fine as long as we don't face offspeed pitchers.

[CanadianOriole]

It's pretty amazing that this was allowed to drag on this long.

[Sanfran327]

So the Orioles take away the pitch that hurts the arm, the arm gets hurt anyway, and the terrible organizational policy to try to rehab (what I'm going to assume for the purposes of this rant was a completely or at least mostly torn) ligament for a year only to miss an extra year once we find out that the guy needs surgery to repair the aforementioned (completely or partially torn) ligament.

We need to get rid of the guys that don't let you throw the cutter. Or at least get all of the pitchers alone in a room with Zach Britton, where he can explain that you can continue to throw the cutter as long as you call it a sinker instead.

[NashLumber]

Thanks for this. Not unexpected from what I've been hearing. Tough luck. Hopefully, he'll bounce back. Just sad for him due to the interruption of his career. O's sure could have used him had he stayed healthy all along. Not to be. So he'll miss all of next year, I'm guessing. But maybe not an O's rotation possibility till 2019?

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[McLovin]

So the Orioles take away the pitch that hurts the arm, the arm gets hurt anyway, and the terrible organizational policy to try to rehab (what I'm going to assume for the purposes of this rant was a completely or at least mostly torn) ligament for a year only to miss an extra year once we find out that the guy needs surgery to repair the aforementioned (completely or partially torn) ligament.

We need to get rid of the guys that don't let you throw the cutter. Or at least get all of the pitchers alone in a room with Zach Britton, where he can explain that you can continue to throw the cutter as long as you call it a sinker instead.

That's a fun narrative, but I don't think Hunter has every thrown a cutter.

[McLovin]

Zach Britton, where he can explain that you can continue to throw the cutter as long as you call it a sinker instead.

Also, Zach's pitch is most certainly not a cutter.

[weams]

Also, Zach's pitch is most certainly not a cutter.

Not even close to one.

[glenn__davis]

Also, Zach's pitch is most certainly not a cutter.

And the fact that the O's main issue with the pitch is not that it hurts your arm (not that I agree with their policy on the cutter).

And the fact that it's not the O's policy to try to rehab, they were acting on the recommendation of the man who knows more about this stuff than anyone.

Other than that, though...

[higgybaby]

So the Orioles take away the pitch that hurts the arm, the arm gets hurt anyway, and the terrible organizational policy to try to rehab (what I'm going to assume for the purposes of this rant was a completely or at least mostly torn) ligament for a year only to miss an extra year once we find out that the guy needs surgery to repair the aforementioned (completely or partially torn) ligament.

We need to get rid of the guys that don't let you throw the cutter. Or at least get all of the pitchers alone in a room with Zach Britton, where he can explain that you can continue to throw the cutter as long as you call it a sinker instead.

Cutter isn't even close to a sinker.

I agree we need to unleash the cutters though.

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[weams]

Cutter isn't even close to a sinker.

I agree we need to unleash the cutters though.

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Heck yeah. Their arms die anyway.

[Can_of_corn]

Also, Zach's pitch is most certainly not a cutter.

Not even close to one.

I've read that he uses a cutter grip to achieve it.

So there would be one point of similarity.

[McLovin]

I've read that he uses a cutter grip to achieve it.

So there would be one point of similarity.

I guess. It also uses a round ball, so there is that too.

It's more about the spin and wrist motion. Cutters move left and right. Sinkers move down.

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[weams]

I've read that he uses a cutter grip to achieve it.

So there would be one point of similarity.

I heard him state differently.

[Sanfran327]

So the Orioles take away the pitch that hurts the arm, the arm gets hurt anyway, and the terrible organizational policy to try to rehab (what I'm going to assume for the purposes of this rant was a completely or at least mostly torn) ligament for a year only to miss an extra year once we find out that the guy needs surgery to repair the aforementioned (completely or partially torn) ligament.

We need to get rid of the guys that don't let you throw the cutter. Or at least get all of the pitchers alone in a room with Zach Britton, where he can explain that you can continue to throw the cutter as long as you call it a sinker instead.

Okay, so this was a joke... but for a group of guys with little to no sense of humor, I should have known better.

Of course this wasn't the HH's path, but it's not a bad ad lib for this organization over the last few years.

And clearly, the Britton bit was purely a joke.

:wedge: