Where Can The Orioles Find A Left-Handed Starter?

[Tx Oriole]

4 hours ago, El Gordo said:

He started 2 G his whole career. Cobb 7.

I'd like either one on the O's. 

[Tx Oriole]

4 hours ago, El Gordo said:

I'd rather resign Tillman than Hellickson. 

I don't know about that. Both are bad. Maybe Tillman would be better by a bit. 

[Tx Oriole]

59 minutes ago, Richmond Bird 9 said:

I think he wants to go to the N.L.

I think that would be the best.

[El Gordo]

18 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

I don't know about that. Both are bad. Maybe Tillman would be better by a bit. 

Tillman isn't old and there's a chance he could rebound. If he does he's a lot better than Hellickson.

[MDtransplant757]

On 10/28/2017 at 7:10 AM, ScGO's said:

I could see O's give Jorge De La Rosa a deal too. There really isn't anything on the market. It's going to have to come through a trade.  Any lefties going to get cut during arbitration?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2018.html

I’ve had a feeling forever that he’d Be an Oriole. Really, there is no safe bet when it comes to who the Orioles are probably going to target. Cobb is familiar with the division, but has done well only in Tampa, Toronto and competently in Boston. Lynn is a massive flyball pitcher, whose FIP screams regression to 2017 Wade Miley with more HR’s

[MDtransplant757]

On 10/28/2017 at 6:21 PM, El Gordo said:

Tillman isn't old and there's a chance he could rebound. If he does he's a lot better than Hellickson.

Tillman’s problem is that his shoulder is held together with scotch tape and super glue. Look at Yovani Gallardo and how that turned out in 2016 and 2017. Now make it worse and you have Tillman. He’s cooked, like Brian Matusz in 2011 cooked. Just thank him for his time and don’t resign him

[Luke-OH]

I think the focus on a LH starter is misguided, I'd rather just acquire a good starter.  If you want a Lefty who has a chance to be solid, but also a chance to be pretty bad, call up John Means and spend the money elsewhere.  This "proven MLB pitcher" shtick is getting old for me.

[wildcard]

2 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

I think the focus on a LH starter is misguided, I'd rather just acquire a good starter. 

I agree with this.  Its hard enough to find decent starter smuch less left handed starters.

[MDtransplant757]

7 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

I think the focus on a LH starter is misguided, I'd rather just acquire a good starter.  If you want a Lefty who has a chance to be solid, but also a chance to be pretty bad, call up John Means and spend the money elsewhere.  This "proven MLB pitcher" shtick is getting old for me.

Have you and Joey given a scouting report on Means? Was it just because Bowie plays in a hitters league that he has a 4.11 ERA? 

[Richmond Bird 9]

Does anyone know if we have any scouts that focus on Mexico during the season?  If we are at the floor I thing it would be easier to go up than down for starting pitching.

[Luke-OH]

45 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Have you and Joey given a scouting report on Means? Was it just because Bowie plays in a hitters league that he has a 4.11 ERA? 

I haven't done an in-depth scouting report on him but I have written a few blurbs, I've seen him pitch a bunch. 

He throws three major league average pitches (Fastball, Curveball, Changeup) that all can miss some bats, his stuff won't wow you but he's added some velocity and can touch the mid-90's now.  He has good control but will need to tighten up his command and pitchability to succeed in the majors.  He gets hit hard when behind in the count.  If it doesn't work out for him as a starter I think his stuff could play up in the bullpen.  

His FIP was 3.83 and his xFIP was 3.85 so there may have been some sequencing luck in play.

I don't think he's a great option for 2018, he struggled in his first taste of A+ ball and again in his first taste of AA ball.  Both times he made adjustments and pitched better but it took time.  My argument is I'd rather the O's see what they have in a guy like Means who is cheap and controllable rather than bringing in a De Rosa, Vargas or other old veteran.  Both plans are likely to fail, but with Means if it succeeds you have a valuable piece.

[Redskins Rick]

Roch summed it up very well, in one sentence today:

 

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It’s mostly a flawed market, but the Orioles will try to find an upgrade in it or go the trade route.

 

[MDtransplant757]

2 hours ago, phillyOs119 said:

I haven't done an in-depth scouting report on him but I have written a few blurbs, I've seen him pitch a bunch. 

He throws three major league average pitches (Fastball, Curveball, Changeup) that all can miss some bats, his stuff won't wow you but he's added some velocity and can touch the mid-90's now.  He has good control but will need to tighten up his command and pitchability to succeed in the majors.  He gets hit hard when behind in the count.  If it doesn't work out for him as a starter I think his stuff could play up in the bullpen.  

His FIP was 3.83 and his xFIP was 3.85 so there may have been some sequencing luck in play.

I don't think he's a great option for 2018, he struggled in his first taste of A+ ball and again in his first taste of AA ball.  Both times he made adjustments and pitched better but it took time.  My argument is I'd rather the O's see what they have in a guy like Means who is cheap and controllable rather than bringing in a De Rosa, Vargas or other old veteran.  Both plans are likely to fail, but with Means if it succeeds you have a valuable piece.

This is why I love you and Joey. There’s an argument to be made here, but the guy i’d Want up from Bowie is Yefery Rameriez. I believe we got him for bonus money at the deadline from NYY did well in Bowie. De La Rosa is cooked, and Vargas is balls. Chatwood is a guy who i’d Go after. I’d love to trade Trumbo for Chen, but there is no where in Miami where he could play. Maybe get Ian Kennedy, the poor man’s rick porcello for Trumbo from KC. 

[wildbillhiccup]

On 10/28/2017 at 6:01 PM, Tx Oriole said:

I don't know about that. Both are bad. Maybe Tillman would be better by a bit. 

That's like saying you prefer two week old moldy bread to three week old moldy bread

[Luke-OH]

2 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

This is why I love you and Joey. There’s an argument to be made here, but the guy i’d Want up from Bowie is Yefery Rameriez. I believe we got him for bonus money at the deadline from NYY did well in Bowie. De La Rosa is cooked, and Vargas is balls. Chatwood is a guy who i’d Go after. I’d love to trade Trumbo for Chen, but there is no where in Miami where he could play. Maybe get Ian Kennedy, the poor man’s rick porcello for Trumbo from KC. 

Of the starters at Bowie (not including 3 inning "starters" like Scott and Liranzo), Yefry Rameriez is currently 4th of 4 in ability to help the Orioles in 2018.  I'd rank them this way, Long, Means/Hess (pretty much interchangable, Hess has more upside, Means has a higher floor), then Ramirez.  Nothing particularly impressive about Ramirez, he doesn't really have a changeup, his fastball is fringy, he has a solid slider/curveball combination.  I really wasn't impressed from what I saw.  I know he had much better numbers when he was with the Yankees, so maybe I caught him making a mechanic adjustment or working on something.