O's equivalent to the Gerrit Cole trade?

[Luke-OH]

1 hour ago, ThomasTomasz said:

Neal Huntington was on Bowden and Duquette's Sunday show on MLBN radio this morning, and the way he is looking at it is that he received three top 100 prospects in the deal for Cole.  Some of them aren't prospects anymore, but have had some MLB service time but blocked in a loaded Houston system.  Honestly, I don't think we have that in our system, or have the ability to give it up with a mid-range system like we have.  

Huntington is selling his trade, that’s a laughable statement. (from Huntington not you).

Just so you all know I’m not the only one who thinks the return is poor. Here is a tweet from a Pirates beat writer:

I don’t think it’s that bad, but it’s far from a huge return, and the Orioles could have offered equal value a number of ways (not that I think they should have).

[ThomasTomasz]

I would largely agree with that trade assessment.  Moran is being underrated here because he;'s blocked in their system.  I think he's the big key here for this trade.  I also think Musgrove is a low-end #3 starter, high end #4.  

I don't think we have very many comparables here, and I agree that we probably shouldn't have made a trade like this. 

[Luke-OH]

5 minutes ago, ThomasTomasz said:

I would largely agree with that trade assessment.  Moran is being underrated here because he;'s blocked in their system.  I think he's the big key here for this trade.  I also think Musgrove is a low-end #3 starter, high end #4.  

I don't think we have very many comparables here, and I agree that we probably shouldn't have made a trade like this. 

What makes you think Musgrove is a #3/#4? Not saying you are wrong, I haven’t really taken a hard look at him, but nothing I’ve seen leads me to that conclusion.

[MDtransplant757]

Cole in the AL East with that rising HR rate, he’d get smoked in Fenway, OPACY and Yankee stadium. 

[Roll Tide]

13 hours ago, Number5 said:

I understood that, but how sure are you about that?  MLB constantly changes their ranking and I don't know how to go back and retrieve a past ranking for them.  Since it is certain that he was not in BA's top 10 at the time, I was wondering if you are certain that he was so highly ranked on MLB.com.

Looked at it as I always do when a trade to a certain team was discussed. I am 100% sure that Moran was 7 or 8 of the Astros prospects because he was on the right side of the second column. 

If you look back at the Britton to the Astros threads from the summer it's probably there.

[Roll Tide]

10 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

What makes you think Musgrove is a #3/#4? Not saying you are wrong, I haven’t really taken a hard look at him, but nothing I’ve seen leads me to that conclusion.

He's 8-12 with a 5.37 era as a SP in his young career 171 innngs at 25. I would assume he would have to make adjustments. In 2016 he had a low 4 era as a starter. 

Problem is he was a 1.26 era pitcher as a reliever. So that probably motivates a manager to keep him in a pen.

if he can be a low-mid 4 era starter he'd probably be a mid rotation guy ...if not he's likely a 5th starter candidate .

[Roll Tide]

13 hours ago, Number5 said:

I understood that, but how sure are you about that?  MLB constantly changes their ranking and I don't know how to go back and retrieve a past ranking for them.  Since it is certain that he was not in BA's top 10 at the time, I was wondering if you are certain that he was so highly ranked on MLB.com.

I expec Moran to be a 750-850 OPS guy that you could expect 15ish homeruns  and 60-70 RBI from.....Very BJ Surhoff like imo

In 2 stops at the majors he has like 34 ABs in 2 seasons. Essentially not really had a chance yet. Plus the fluke line drive injury contributed 

[Il BuonO]

6 hours ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Cole in the AL East with that rising HR rate, he’d get smoked in Fenway, OPACY and Yankee stadium. 

I commented on this, but his increased HR/9 may also have been a blip. He’s consistently been around 0.5 HR/9 (high of 0.7) throughout his career.

[wildbillhiccup]

6 hours ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Cole in the AL East with that rising HR rate, he’d get smoked in Fenway, OPACY and Yankee stadium. 

...yet he'd immediately be our no 1 starting pitcher so it's really all about perspective. 

[GoldGlove21]

19 hours ago, weams said:

No one is trading Cole for that. 

Right... the Orioles couldn't make that deal with including Mancini IMO. Even then Harvey, Lee and another quality prospect would need to be going back in the deal. The Orioles seem to want pitching without giving up much for it.

Asking for two quality young controlled arms for one year of Manny is a joke. You should look for the best package for Manny that included one pitcher. Then look to deal someone like Brach for the other arm from a different team IMO. 

I think the Yankees would give up Frazier and Addams for Machado. We could flip Frazier to another team for the other arm too if need be. They could make two or three moves and get what they want.

[Luke-OH]

3 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

I expec Moran to be a 750-850 OPS guy that you could expect 15ish homeruns  and 60-70 RBI from.....Very BJ Surhoff like imo

In 2 stops at the majors he has like 34 ABs in 2 seasons. Essentially not really had a chance yet. Plus the fluke line drive injury contributed 

He’s below average defensively, so even if he hits the top of that OPS range, he’s just an average regular. If he’s towards the bottom he’s not an everyday player and probably not a major leaguer.

I’m not judging him at all on the fact he hasn’t gotten a big league opportunity, that isn’t lowering my opinion on him at all. I know about his fluke concussion. 

[Roll Tide]

19 hours ago, GoldGlove21 said:

Right... the Orioles couldn't make that deal with including Mancini IMO. Even then Harvey, Lee and another quality prospect would need to be going back in the deal. The Orioles seem to want pitching without giving up much for it.

Asking for two quality young controlled arms for one year of Manny is a joke. You should look for the best package for Manny that included one pitcher. Then look to deal someone like Brach for the other arm from a different team IMO. 

I think the Yankees would give up Frazier and Addams for Machado. We could flip Frazier to another team for the other arm too if need be. They could make two or three moves and get what they want.

The Orioles probably could've done this deal With Michael Gyven, Mountcastle,  Asher  and Gassaway 

 

Gyvens > Musgrove

Mountcastle = Moran

Asher < Feliz

Gassaway is comparable to  Martin