Buck, Dan and ownership need to deal with the Davis issue first

[Aristotelian]

If bat speed is the issue, has anyone thought to have Davis try a small bat and choke up? Seriously.

[atomic]

We should have a contest to see who can guess Davis' final batting average.  You have to figure the possible figures are between .050 and .220.  That gives you are 170 choices.  

[eddie83]

The owner signed him. It’s up to whoever is actually running things on the ownership side. 

I think this year has been so bad it is actually possible they ditch him after this year.  

[24fps]

52 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

The owner signed him. It’s up to whoever is actually running things on the ownership side. 

I think this year has been so bad it is actually possible they ditch him after this year.  

It won't happen until everyone directly responsible for signing Davis to that ridiculous contract is no longer in the organization and in a position to defend the decision IMO.  Duquette and Showalter both may well be gone and not in the way.  Anderson and the Angelos sons will be a tougher sell.  That contract is a whole lot of stupid to have to wear in public.  As long as Davis is still playing, there's always the possibility that he could "turn things around".  I'm not holding my breath, but it is the path of least resistance for an embarrassed executive/owner.

[Natty]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777037-chris-davis-161m-megadeal-has-spiraled-into-mlbs-worst-contract-bust

[drjohnnyfeva]

On 5/20/2018 at 7:51 PM, atomic said:

The  Angels traded Josh Hamilton to the Rangers paying 73 million out of the remaining 79 million owed to him.  And Josh only gave 0.4 WAR to the Rangers so they even overpaid. So there is precedent fro unloading Davis for nothing and paying the vast majority of his salary. 

I think the above is the most likely scenario for unloading him.  If there was a way to offer him a one time lump payment to get out of the contract and allow him to start fresh with someone else, I would pursue that in lieu of trading him and covering the contract costs.  It just doesn't seem feasible to continue to trot him out there just to produce outs.

[Mondo Trasho]

There's really no way to deal with the issue. They owe him the money and he appears to have fallen off a cliff in terms of production.

In theory, I suppose the O's could try to field a really terrible but really cheap team next year and just pay Davis the full remainder of his contract as a lump sum to avoid paying him for multiple years. But to be honest I don't think it really helps at all.

[wildbillhiccup]

4 hours ago, eddie83 said:

The owner signed him. It’s up to whoever is actually running things on the ownership side. 

I think this year has been so bad it is actually possible they ditch him after this year.  

So he stepped in and pushed for the Davis signing on his own accord with no input / influence from others? I can somewhat forgive Angelos for the decision, because he's not a scout, manager, etc. Who I can't forgive are the actual baseball guys who actually recommended the signing. My guess is that Buck and Anderson in particular were pushing hard for it. That's why they both need to be canned. 

[jabba72]

By playing Davis (and Tillman) they are ensuring a losing record and high draft pick in '19. Im ok with Davis playing for now as long as theres no future winning season. If somone can build a good lineup with Mancini or Trumbo at 1B, that could actually win 85-90 games then I could see a reason to cut Davis. He either starts or should be released. Definitely should not sit on the bench for the next 4 seasons. 

[SteveA]

9 hours ago, Natty said:

I don't believe any other player with Davis's stats would still be in the majors. Maybe it would help him find his swing against AAA pitching. But what if he can't even hit that?

Ian Desmond has very similar stats to Davis... a tiny bit better, but he's played half his games at Coors Field.

He's still in the majors, and gets about as much $$$ as Davis too.

[jabba72]

1 hour ago, wildbillhiccup said:

So he stepped in and pushed for the Davis signing on his own accord with no input / influence from others? I can somewhat forgive Angelos for the decision, because he's not a scout, manager, etc. Who I can't forgive are the actual baseball guys who actually recommended the signing. My guess is that Buck and Anderson in particular were pushing hard for it. That's why they both need to be canned. 

 

24 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Ian Desmond has very similar stats to Davis... a tiny bit better, but he's played half his games at Coors Field.

He's still in the majors, and gets about as much $$$ as Davis too.

018	32	Colorado Rockies	$22,000,000	8.027
2019	33	Colorado Rockies	$15,000,000
2020	34	Colorado Rockies	$15,000,000
2021	35	Colorado Rockies	$8,000,000
2022	36	Colorado Rockies	*$15,000,000  $15M Team Option, $2M Buyout

[atomic]

.158 average .490 OPS.  Amazingly bad.  And it isn't just this season.  I wonder what his stats are since May 18th of last season when he had a .266 average and a .910 OPS.  It has to be terrible.  

[DirtyBird]

Time to deal with the Buck issue

[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

.158 average .490 OPS.  Amazingly bad.  And it isn't just this season.  I wonder what his stats are since May 18th of last season when he had a .266 average and a .910 OPS.  It has to be terrible.  

Can someone hit under .150?  .130?  We're gonna find out.

[OriolesMagic83]

4 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Can someone hit under .150?  .130?  We're gonna find out.

I am wondering if there is a point where Buck will say Davis isn't a regular player anymore.  Obviously sub .500 OPS isn't it.  Buck batted Vlad cleanup for a whole year.  Davis has a good chance at the worst regular season ever.  He is blowing Dunn's worst season out of the water.