Who should be dealt this winter/off-season?

[weams]

7 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

After thinking more on it, I believe you're right. It seems Mancini could net a decent return, but it wouldn't be at Schoop's trade value.  Schoop's career OPS is .738, compared to Mancini's .777. Schoop does play a tougher position, and frankly I'd prefer Schoop, but Mancini (who is actually younger than Schoop) has three more years on a cheap contract.  However, Mancini really is a DH, as he brings poor defense at LF and 1B.

Mancini plays no position that anyone pays for. 

[Moose Milligan]

57 minutes ago, weams said:

There is no one currently among the 25 man roster that I would care to keep. If they want Mullins, or Tanner Scott they can go too. Really. No reason to keep any of these guys if you can get younger. 

I'd like to keep Mullins, but no one is untouchable.

Except @TonySoprano

[AZRon]

6 hours ago, Greg Pappas said:

The Winter Meetings will be upon us before you know it (Dec. 9-13)... and though our heads of baseball operations are not yet in place,  who are the players you feel should be dealt this winter/off-season?

 

Fans need no plans -- however, successful leaders of team organizations do.

In order to develop that plan, let's hope that the next O's top baseball operations executive goes about it this way:

1: Assess the resources:
 A: expenditure budget (from ownership) for the current year and possible growth/reduction over next 2 to 3 years
 B: existing personnel in leadership positions in player acquisition and development
2: Make a determination on the expected MLB team performance for the current year and the ensuing 2 to 3 years
 A: ownership expectations
 B: your practical, possible, best case, worst case scenarios
resolve differences between your scenarios and the expectations of ownership
3: Scheme/re-scheme organization
 A: set budget allocations
 B: replace/recruit for vacant organizational leadership positions 
4: Continually communicate, publish and reinforce the "plan" to all leaders
5: Monitor performance to plan and adjust accordingly (backup plans)

[maybenxtyr]

2 minutes ago, Papeete said:

This is what I am hearing from you all . . . every time a player's value goes up, let's trade him.

Sounds like a Perennial Loser of a Team.

Which player from 2018 would you like to see extende? Even late season call UPS will probably not be here once they are competitive again. There really wasn't anyone from this season that I would expect to be able to help with a winning culture.

[weams]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'd like to keep Mullins, but no one is untouchable.

Except @TonySoprano

[Legend_Of_Joey]

2 hours ago, weams said:

There is no one currently among the 25 man roster that I would care to keep. If they want Mullins, or Tanner Scott they can go too. Really. No reason to keep any of these guys if you can get younger. 

Mullins is 24. Scott is 24.

Mullins just completed his first month and a half of MLB time. Scott has a year and a monthish. Why give them up? What are you gonna get for them, the same type of player or worse? A younger player, who would be in AA and might not even make the MLB?

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Papeete said:

This is what I am hearing from you all . . . every time a player's value goes up, let's trade him.

Sounds like a Perennial Loser of a Team.

I don't think that is true.   The O's should build a team that can win the World Series.    Right now the players that might be part of the are DL Hall, Rodriguez, Kremer, Harvey, Hays, Diaz, Mullins, McKenna, Kline, Mountcastle and Mancini.   I would not trade any of them.    Target year at the earliest 2022.

If a player will not be a productive part of that team the O's should be maximizing what they can get for that player in trade.

 

[tntoriole]

It really doesn’t matter quite as much to me who we keep or trade this winter because I think no one on our current 40 man will be on our next team that wins anything...or even finishes at .500....so keep them ...or give them away, or sell them..doesn’t really matter, we are a long way aways from being anywhere except last.   Selling Bundy low this winter would be really dumb, imho.    It would be dumber than the Gausman trade. 

We need somebody in charge that has a clue...and fast. 

Amazing to me the consistent negativity on this board towards Trey Mancini which has been relentlessly consistent since he first got here.    As if he is the biggest problem on a team with 39 other pretty bad baseball players on their 40 man roster. 

[ScGO's]

Unless ownership demands we trade away all assets for nothing, I think we should hold our cards until the deadline unless we are blown away.  If we go that route we need to cut Beckham, Joseph, Wright, and Rickard to save a little cash.  I do think Cashner should be pushed hard as a salary dump this offseason, might have to eat a little.

But there are a lot of potential players who can play up their value before this year's trade deadline which could make it exciting.  Trumbo, Bundy, Givens, Mancini, Villar, Cobb, and Bleier (maybe Cashner if we hold onto him).  Next year's deadline could be as exciting as this past deadline.

[oriole]

I think Villar should be moved if anyone is willing to give anything interesting up for him. Outside of him and maybe a guy like Bleier or Givens if someone regards them highly at all at this point, no one. Just go with who you’ve got and let the season commence without complicating whatever pile of turds we’ll be watching. 

Of course, if someone is willing to take on Trumbo or Cashner then you go for it, but it’s not happening. I think you gotta keep Cobb around and hope he makes himself valuable at all. It’s not like if we traded him someone would be willing to take on that whole contract and I don’t think it’s worth eating any money. 

 

This is going to be a very dull offseason. Very little FA action and even less trade talk. Nothing makes much sense outside of picking up unwanted FA in March and trading Villar.

[cmcgarvey]

12 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Everyone.  Seriously, everyone.

I honestly don't care what we get back.  K, that's a bit of a stretch, but IMO, anything is better than what we have and where we are.  They didn't trade enough last year.  Should have traded Cobb and Givens.  

Trade Davis and eat 95% of his salary and get a bucket of balls in return.  Seriously, every has to go.  

Everyone from the director of concessions on down to the dude who cleans the bathrooms. Just completely gut the organization. 

[Catch 8]

Bundy has service clock, talent and youth on his side.  See if he can emerge as a mid-season Cy-Young candidate and cash in.  It is very unlikely but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.  Best-case Bundy-scenario fetches twice as much as best-case-anyone-else-on-the-roster.

Not taking 75 cents on the dollar or international monopoly money for Dylan Bundy.  If he collapses, are we really any worse off?

We need to take high-reward risks--and this is the only possible one that comes to mind.

 

[scOtt]

13 hours ago, weams said:

Mancini plays no position that anyone pays for. 

He plays 1B. Which we paid DEARLY paid for....

[scOtt]

12 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'd like to keep Mullins, but no one is untouchable.

Except @TonySoprano

Mullins doesn't hit much but he's a switch hitter - and green. He's mega fast and his D is very good because of it. But his arm is ridiculously weak. Expendable for the right deal.

[scOtt]

12 hours ago, AZRon said:

Fans need no plans -- however, successful leaders of team organizations do.

In order to develop that plan, let's hope that the next O's top baseball operations executive goes about it this way:

1: Assess the resources:
 A: expenditure budget (from ownership) for the current year and possible growth/reduction over next 2 to 3 years
 B: existing personnel in leadership positions in player acquisition and development
2: Make a determination on the expected MLB team performance for the current year and the ensuing 2 to 3 years
 A: ownership expectations
 B: your practical, possible, best case, worst case scenarios
resolve differences between your scenarios and the expectations of ownership
3: Scheme/re-scheme organization
 A: set budget allocations
 B: replace/recruit for vacant organizational leadership positions 
4: Continually communicate, publish and reinforce the "plan" to all leaders
5: Monitor performance to plan and adjust accordingly (backup plans)

6. After squaring all that with the Angelos Bros. make your first winter move in early February.

 

 

 

 

If you also have a new manager in place by then...