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14 minutes ago, jamalshw said:

I would need to know the answers to the follow questions before I'd consider it:

1. How is he at calling a game? I know he had a good reputation here in the past, but don't know about recently.

2. How is he at controlling the running game and framing?

3. How much will he cost?

Basically, I want an excellent defensive catcher that will help nurture our young pitching and mentor Wynns, Sisco, etc for as little as possible. I don't care about the offense at all.

Also, does he use analytics? 

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3 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

This entire thread makes me think that nostalgia is indeed a very dangerous drug. 

 

48 minutes ago, Dipper9 said:

This thread reminds me that one of my favorite things about Elias is that he has no ties to our past, including ex-Orioles.  I love all those guys, but that doesn't mean I want to resign them in 2019.  

These...

I like the names.  Matt, Nick, Schoopy, Jones etc.  But we are moving on, and while it would be a mistake for Elias to simply exclude people because they are ex-Orioles, I just can't imagine any reason to go get these guys unless they are dirt cheap and that would still beg the question...why doesn't someone else want them?  Of course, it's possible that any one of them would want to be here for less than the market is offering, but I don't think that is the case either.

I think we are turning the page and I think that is probably a good thing.  Now if Manny wants to be here on a discount...that would be different...

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5 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

This entire thread makes me think that nostalgia is indeed a very dangerous drug. 

What's nostalgia have to do with it? He should come cheap and as I said...its a backup role. I think Sisco could learn quite a bit from Matt. 

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28 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Nostalgia in the sense that you wouldn't even be mentioning his name if he wasn't a former Oriole. 

You don't see me mentioning bringing back Jones...Markakis...Schoop.

Of course a reason I'm suggesting bringing him back is because I'm familiar with him. And because I think he would be a valuable asset to mentor Sisco. 

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7 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

You don't see me mentioning bringing back Jones...Markakis...Schoop.

Of course a reason I'm suggesting bringing him back is because I'm familiar with him. And because I think he would be a valuable asset to mentor Sisco. 

If the team placed so much value on having a catching mentor they should have just kept Caleb Joseph. Targeting Matt Wieters makes no sense for this team at all. The coaches can help Sisco. That's what they're paid to do. 

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Just now, wildbillhiccup said:

If the team placed so much value on having a catching mentor they should have just kept Caleb Joseph. Targeting Matt Wieters makes no sense for this team at all. The coaches can help Sisco. That's what they're paid to do. 

If salary were equal, would you rather have Joseph or Wieters at this point in their careers?    And no fair saying “neither.”

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

If salary were equal, would you rather have Joseph or Wieters at this point in their careers?    And no fair saying “neither.”

In all honesty I'd probably just stick with the player who was already on the team. I will say this. If I had to place a bet on who had the better shot of being a successful coach after their playing career is over I'd put my money on Joseph. 

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4 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

In all honesty I'd probably just stick with the player who was already on the team. I will say this. If I had to place a bet on who had the better shot of being a successful coach after their playing career is over I'd put my money on Joseph. 

For one thing, Joseph is going to need the money!   Wieters certainly won’t.    I’m hesitant to judge who would be a better coach.    What are we going on, who gave better postgame interviews?    I think we’re kidding ourselves if we think we know much about their coaching abilities.  

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

For one thing, Joseph is going to need the money!   Wieters certainly won’t.    I’m hesitant to judge who would be a better coach.    What are we going on, who gave better postgame interviews?    I think we’re kidding ourselves if we think we know much about their coaching abilities.  

There were times during Matt’s tenure that I often thought he may end up as a manager or at the very least, in the coaching field. But yeah, he won’t need the money and may feel the tug of being with his family in retirement and not being on the road. And I do see Caleb going into coaching, just not sure at what level would interest him. 

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17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

For one thing, Joseph is going to need the money!   Wieters certainly won’t.    I’m hesitant to judge who would be a better coach.    What are we going on, who gave better postgame interviews?    I think we’re kidding ourselves if we think we know much about their coaching abilities.  

Going by my gut...which is consistently right at least 10% of the time ;)

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38 minutes ago, NashLumber said:

There were times during Matt’s tenure that I often thought he may end up as a manager or at the very least, in the coaching field. But yeah, he won’t need the money and may feel the tug of being with his family in retirement and not being on the road. And I do see Caleb going into coaching, just not sure at what level would interest him. 

Matt Wieters is less than one month older than Caleb Joseph.  Per Baseball Reference Matt Wieters has earned over 59 million dollars in his MLB career (not including bonuses) while Caleb Joseph has earned just shy of 2 million.  Matt can afford to wait at home, hire a nutritionist and personal trainer and wait for an MLB team to call when they need a “name” catcher.  Caleb will most likely be considering milb contracts with a spring training invite to block balls in the dirt from “prospects”.

Also, I searched OH, but couldn’t find reference to it here so I must have read elsewhere, after leaving the O’s, Wieters seemed to align himself with Wallace and Chiti, I recall him making a statement to the effect that he felt it was weird (my word not his) that a VP of baseball operations had a locker in the clubhouse.  Not that I am trying to turn another thread into “all about” a certain VP of baseball operations!?

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