Hangouter's Top 30 Prospects lists

[weams]

1 hour ago, Enjoy Terror said:

I know everyone is "in" on Akin enough to put him on their prospect lists, but am I wrong for thinking he's more of a Brad Bergesen type player?

i.e. Not really a prospect but getting himself to the majors anyway, and ultimately everyone concludes that his stuff just doesn't play at that level and he goes to Japan after 1.5 years of putting up average to below average starts for the O's?

Because that's where I am.

I've watched Akin up close. Many times. I don't think he is Brad Bergesen.  He may end up flopping all together, but he probably can pitch at the major league level. I doubt he need to go to Japan. 

[wildcard]

On 11/1/2019 at 12:46 PM, Enjoy Terror said:

I can't scout so I have no idea what I'm talking about. 

1. Adley Rutschman
2. DL Hall
3. Ryan Mountcastle
4. Grayson Rodriguez
5. Yusniel Diaz
6. Michael Baumann
7. Dean Kremer
8. Gunnar Henderson
9. Zac Lowther
10. Adam Hall

11. Drew Rom
12. Alex Wells
13. Rylan Bannon
14. Cody Sedlock
15. Ryan McKenna
16. Bruce Zimmermann
17. Gray Fenter
18. Johnny Rizer
19. Toby Welk
20. Keegan Akin

21. Cadyn Grenier
22. Yorkislandy Alvarez
23. Mason McCoy
24. Stiven Acevedo
25. Adam Stauffer
26. Jake Prizina
27. Ryan Wilson
28. Dan Hammer
29. Isaac Bellony
30. Davis Tavarez

Hays?

[Enjoy Terror]

15 hours ago, wildcard said:

Hays?

Major leaguer.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Enjoy Terror said:

Major leaguer.

Nope.  He somehow fell just short of losing his rookie status.

[Enjoy Terror]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Nope.  He somehow fell just short of losing his rookie status.

Putting Hays on my prospect list doesn't add value to the list. He’s an everyday player for the Orioles. Fantasizing over his future worth is pointless because the future is here.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

Putting Hays on my prospect list doesn't add value to the list. He’s an everyday player for the Orioles. Fantasizing over his future worth is pointless because the future is here.

But he qualifies, a list should include all qualified players.

I'm also not at all certain that Hays has established himself as an everyday player just yet.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But he qualifies, a list should include all qualified players.

I'm also not at all certain that Hays has established himself as an everyday player just yet.

I understand. Like when Ichiro was a rookie. 

[Enjoy Terror]

17 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

What about him makes you think that?

The narrative I remember about Bergesen was that he wasn’t really a prospect until you couldn’t ignore that he was the next man up. The Orioles back then were starved for any guy who get outs... and there was Brad Bergesen— hanging out in the Inty league getting outs. Why not him? He wasn’t the cutest girl at the bar, just the only girl at the bar.

I feel that way about Akin— I don’t think his stuff is amazing, but for right now, he’s the next man up. The Orioles are going home with him at the end of the night, and it’s only because these other cats are still in Bowie at best.

Thats my unscientific gut feel. You’ll get one fun season out of Akin and he’ll be in Japan in five years.

 

[Tony-OH]

The list has started so you can still post your lists but can't take credit for being right from here on out.

[DirtyBird]

15 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

The list has started so you can still post your lists but can't take credit for being right from here on out.

What makes you so sure that your list is the right one?

[Tony-OH]

20 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

What makes you so sure that your list is the right one?

Haha, well no lists are perfect, but of course we mean being right as "being the same as our list."

[interloper]

2 hours ago, Enjoy Terror said:

The narrative I remember about Bergesen was that he wasn’t really a prospect until you couldn’t ignore that he was the next man up. The Orioles back then were starved for any guy who get outs... and there was Brad Bergesen— hanging out in the Inty league getting outs. Why not him? He wasn’t the cutest girl at the bar, just the only girl at the bar.

I feel that way about Akin— I don’t think his stuff is amazing, but for right now, he’s the next man up. The Orioles are going home with him at the end of the night, and it’s only because these other cats are still in Bowie at best.

Thats my unscientific gut feel. You’ll get one fun season out of Akin and he’ll be in Japan in five years.

 

I also don't really see anything to be excited about with Akin. He feels like a journeyman type to me, which, sure, we could definitely use. But I don't really see him carving out a nice career in the bigs. But we'll see!

[Frobby]

I haven’t done a list, but I’d have Hays either 4th or 5th.    Mountcastle probably proves to have more of a bat, but Hays adds value defensively.    What the heck, I’d put him 4th.   

[LookinUp]

3 hours ago, Enjoy Terror said:

The narrative I remember about Bergesen was that he wasn’t really a prospect until you couldn’t ignore that he was the next man up. The Orioles back then were starved for any guy who get outs... and there was Brad Bergesen— hanging out in the Inty league getting outs. Why not him? He wasn’t the cutest girl at the bar, just the only girl at the bar.

I feel that way about Akin— I don’t think his stuff is amazing, but for right now, he’s the next man up. The Orioles are going home with him at the end of the night, and it’s only because these other cats are still in Bowie at best.

Thats my unscientific gut feel. You’ll get one fun season out of Akin and he’ll be in Japan in five years.

 

I look forward to the write-up on Akin. My uninformed opinion is he could be anything from a fringe #3/4 guy if it comes together to a AAAA type. I do think he has some minor fitness issues, which I assume eventually he'll get under control. 

For this org, he's been a bulldog for the last 2 years at least. By that, I mean a guy who fights on the mound and gets through innings/doesn't miss a ton of starts. He's not an elite arm, but might have a make-up that improves his odds. It's also worth remembering that his stats this year should be compared to other AAA stats from this year. He was toward the top of the league in several, even though they weren't impressive. Norfolk in 2019 was a pretty extreme hitting environment.

None of this means he'll have ML success. I think your doubts are probably shared by many to varying degrees, but I also don't think he's a profile without a chance to stick.

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1 minute ago, LookinUp said:

I look forward to the write-up on Akin. My uninformed opinion is he could be anything from a fringe #3/4 guy if it comes together to a AAAA type. I do think he has some minor fitness issues, which I assume eventually he'll get under control. 

For this org, he's been a bulldog for the last 2 years at least. By that, I mean a guy who fights on the mound and gets through innings/doesn't miss a ton of starts. He's not an elite arm, but might have a make-up that improves his odds. It's also worth remembering that his stats this year should be compared to other AAA stats from this year. He was toward the top of the league in several, even though they weren't impressive. Norfolk in 2019 was a pretty extreme hitting environment.

None of this means he'll have ML success. I think your doubts are probably shared by many to varying degrees, but I also don't think he's a profile without a chance to stick.

I think Akin was willing to work on the things that the new folks wanted to see last year.  I bet he gets a real shot.