Chance Sisco 2020

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

If he can pick up another position and still hit, I'd want to hold onto him.  I'd look to trade Mancini first.  

 

Trey should have been dealt a year ago. He won’t carry much value for a while.

Ultimately, I wouldn’t mind keeping him either..but the question is, what position would you want to keep him at?

In other words, if he could play position X well, you would say put him there over which player?

The answer to that, imo, is not C or the OF and probably not first, assuming that’s where Mountcastle ends up.
 

So, where else on the IF? 

[Moose Milligan]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Trey should have been dealt a year ago. He won’t carry much value for a while.

Ultimately, I wouldn’t mind keeping him either..but the question is, what position would you want to keep him at?

In other words, if he could play position X well, you would say put him there over which player?

The answer to that, imo, is not C or the OF and probably not first, assuming that’s where Mountcastle ends up.
 

So, where else on the IF? 

We gotta see if Mountcastle can hit first and hold his own somewhere on the field.  I have my suspicions, I'm not ready to anoint him as a piece of the future.  That's not to say they shouldn't give him a chance, they absolutely should.  But from what I can tell he just seems to have more holes in his game than positives.  

I'd say 1st for Sisco.  With some DH and catching responsibilities.  I mean, even if they were to get rid of Davis we still seem to have too many 1st base/DH types.

[HowAboutThat]

16 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

If he can pick up another position and still hit, I'd want to hold onto him.  I'd look to trade Mancini first.  

 

Why? Assuming Mancini recovers completely, and Sisco continues his upward trajectory, is it just a matter of cost?

[DrungoHazewood]

47 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

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Could Sisco Get More Chances to Bat Lead-off ???

(By Roch Kubatko)

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/08/could-sisco-get-more-chances-to-bat-leadoff.html

 

It's pretty rare for a catcher to lead off.  Here's the top 10 in catcher OBP (min 1000 PA), and the number of games they started batting leadoff:

Mickey Cochrane, 13
Johnny Bassler, 0
Bill Salkeld, 0
Wally Schang, 23
Dick Dietz, 0
Gene Tenace, 0
Roger Bresnahan, 196
Bill Dickey, 0
Rick Ferrell, 0
Pat Collins, 0

I believe that Jason Kendall holds the all time mark for games led off for someone who was primarily a catcher at 463.

For comparison, the all time record for games led off is Rickey's 2886, Kendall is 224th.

[Sports Guy]

17 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

We gotta see if Mountcastle can hit first and hold his own somewhere on the field.  I have my suspicions, I'm not ready to anoint him as a piece of the future.  That's not to say they shouldn't give him a chance, they absolutely should.  But from what I can tell he just seems to have more holes in his game than positives.  

I'd say 1st for Sisco.  With some DH and catching responsibilities.  I mean, even if they were to get rid of Davis we still seem to have too many 1st base/DH types.

First of all, I agree with you about Mountcastle but he obviously deserves a long look.

First could work for Sisco but again, that’s likely where Mountcastle ends up.  You could say DH but then are we really getting optimal value out of him?

The reality is that this is a poorly put together roster with too many players who play the same positions.  
 

But are we getting rid of Nunez?  Ruiz?  Some decisions will need to be made.

[Moose Milligan]

19 minutes ago, Philip said:

Why? Assuming Mancini recovers completely, and Sisco continues his upward trajectory, is it just a matter of cost?

Age.

[OFFNY]

59 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

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Could Sisco Get More Chances to Bat Lead-off ???

(By Roch Kubatko)

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/08/could-sisco-get-more-chances-to-bat-leadoff.html

 

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4 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

 

It's pretty rare for a catcher to lead off. Here's the top 10 in catcher OBP (min 1000 PA), and the number of games in which they started batting lead-off:

 

Mickey Cochrane - 13

Johnny Bassler - 0

Bill Salkeld - 0

Wally Schang - 23

Dick Dietz - 0

Gene Tenace - 0

Roger Bresnahan - 196

Bill Dickey - 0

Rick Ferrell - 0

Pat Collins - 0

 

I believe that Jason Kendall holds the all-time mark for games led-off for someone who was primarily a catcher, at 463.

For comparison, the all-time record for games led off is Rickey's 2886. Kendall is 224th.

 

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Good info.

Thanks.

 

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[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

First of all, I agree with you about Mountcastle but he obviously deserves a long look.

First could work for Sisco but again, that’s likely where Mountcastle ends up.  You could say DH but then are we really getting optimal value out of him?

The reality is that this is a poorly put together roster with too many players who play the same positions.  
 

But are we getting rid of Nunez?  Ruiz?  Some decisions will need to be made.

Agreed, it's poorly put together with guys that have overlapping skill sets.  And that's the biggest issue here, really.  

I think the thing that Sisco looks like he could provide more than the others is OBP.  Mountcastle doesn't look to be a high OBP guy.  Mancini is respectable but not outstanding.  Nunez and Ruiz aren't great.  Santander isn't, either.

I'm not sure what optimal value would be for Sisco if it turns out he's a mediocre defender at C/1B.  If he can just mash as a DH I'm happy with that if his defense isn't great.

[Sports Guy]

33 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Agreed, it's poorly put together with guys that have overlapping skill sets.  And that's the biggest issue here, really.  

I think the thing that Sisco looks like he could provide more than the others is OBP.  Mountcastle doesn't look to be a high OBP guy.  Mancini is respectable but not outstanding.  Nunez and Ruiz aren't great.  Santander isn't, either.

I'm not sure what optimal value would be for Sisco if it turns out he's a mediocre defender at C/1B.  If he can just mash as a DH I'm happy with that if his defense isn't great.

I agree about the OBP.  It’s definitely an advantage for him over the others.

But Sisco overall has to show that he can hit well over a full season to say we should giving him time over guys like Nunez.

Trades and cuts need to be made.  
 

This is also why we need to get guys up here from Bowie.  Need to start evaluating them.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

I agree about the OBP.  It’s definitely an advantage for him over the others.

But Sisco overall has to show that he hit well over a full season to say we should giving him time over guys like Nunez.

Trades and cuts need to be made.  
 

This is also why we need to get guys up here from Bowie.  Need to start evaluating them.

Yep, don't disagree with any of it.

[DrungoHazewood]

48 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'm not sure what optimal value would be for Sisco if it turns out he's a mediocre defender at C/1B.  If he can just mash as a DH I'm happy with that if his defense isn't great.

There's a pretty long list of players who probably would have been pretty big stars, or at least good hitters, if they weren't stuck being catchers.  And a fair number who probably only became good because they moved.  BJ Surhoff never really hit until he moved the 3B/OF.  Carlos Delgado was a catcher but Toronto saw pretty early that wasn't going to work out.  Dale Murphy.  Biggio.

Sisco's problem is that he probably isn't anything like Delgado with the bat, and there ain't no way he's playing OF or probably even third.  To be a productive DH instead of a placeholder you have to OPS .850 or better.

Maybe he can set a goal of becoming the new Smoky Burgess, just without the 50 BMI.

[Ruzious]

4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't know, I've been hearing a lot about how much time it takes to learn how to play left field.  It seems pretty complicated.

Yes, that's because you can only learn to play LF in major league parks.  

[jerios55]

7 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Yes, that's because you can only learn to play LF in major league parks.  

Every minor league stadium....?

[Ruzious]

2 minutes ago, jerios55 said:

Every minor league stadium....?

Every one.  And with varying amounts of people watching.    

[jerios55]

13 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Every one.  And with varying amounts of people watching.    

People, they are allowed people???  I just assumed that was a big jumbotron without any service.