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12 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

This will a huge part of it. I don't believe for a second that actually corona virus deaths are under reported in the United States, but the deaths caused by this continual lockdown/shutdown will end up killing 10 fold as many when it's all said and done. 

Our initial supposed 14-day quarantine to allow our Hospitals to prepare along with social distancing in the beginning made sense. Then, the goal posts kept changing on why we were being quarantined. 

I saw an eye opening post from a laid of healthcare worker that talked about 1.5 million healthcare workers that were laid off just during the month of April. The person spoke about how cancer diagnosis in the United states were down 30% due to people not getting checked out. How many people will die due to not being diagnosed earlier? 

These deaths, which are the corona virus reaction related, are not being considered by many who just want everyone to stay home. 

Since my oldest adult son is intellectually disabled, I'm very familiar with many difficult situations with people who live with someone with behavior issues who are getting no breaks or services and the stress can be unbearable for these folks. 

It's easy for people to say, "just sit on the couch, watch Netflix," but besides the very real economic problems this thing is causing, there are so many secondary effects that are not being tracked or at the very least, not being reported.

 

 

Yeah and my daughter who is the most positive person in the world and always has a smile on her face is now whining and crying all the time over nothing.  She just wants to go back to school and be with her friends.  

Like I said before I know someone who works at Hopkins and she said that not only are t they seeing any covid patients come in they aren’t seeing anyone come in. Like they saw two patients in a week come in for anything at her office. Another doctor said they are on verge of bankruptcy at his practice.   

 

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The players need to play.  As far as how bad this pandemic is, let me share some first hand information.  I was hospitalized on April 2nd, I had a heart attack.  Not from fear of Covid-19 but from blo

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I have totally changed my opinion about the situation. I think baseball will be played.  The players need to play. If they don't play they won't get anything in free agency.  As the leagues revenues w

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Ok, I really am not going to read any more until tomorrow but I couldn't let this stand. I know I am just a small country lawyer and you are a noted labor law expert, but please advise me as to t

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Yeah and my daughter who is the most positive person in the world and always has a smile on her face is now whining and crying all the time over nothing.  She just wants to go back to school and be with her friends.  

Like I said before I know someone who works at Hopkins and she said that not only are t they seeing any covid patients come in they aren’t seeing anyone come in. Like they saw two patients in a week come in for anything at her office. Another doctor said they are on verge of bankruptcy at his practice.   

 

Most elective procedures aren’t permitted yet.    And in any event, you’d have to be pretty risk tolerant to go to a hospital if you had other options.     All those people who use the ER for non-emergencies are probably staying away.    

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Most elective procedures aren’t permitted yet.    And in any event, you’d have to be pretty risk tolerant to go to a hospital if you had other options.     All those people who use the ER for non-emergencies are probably staying away.    

Yeah reports are that a lot of people are dying at home from heart attacks afraid to go to the hospital in case they catch covid.   Lots of things you can die from if you don't seek medical care when you have symptoms of something wrong.  Also annual physicals pick up things wrong with you that you didn't know you had. 

This is a disease that is almost exclusively taking out the most very old people who are very sick. 

For example, 335 Maryland prison guards have tested positive for covid and zero deaths.  2258 confirmed cases in children under 20. Zero deaths.  With how hard it has been to get test in Maryland probably 10,000 cases in that age group without a death.  Now there have been flu deaths for that age range. 

For people under 50 in Maryland the death rate is 3/10ths of 1 percent.  If you realize that so many people could not get tested it is probably 1/10 of a percent death rate for people under 50.  

And think about how many unhealthy people there are under 50. We have drug addicts, morbidly obese. people with multiple diseases, homeless.  

Then realize you have a 1 percent chance of dying in a car accident in your life.   Probably even higher in our region with all the aggressive drivers and traffic.  You also have a 1 percent change of dying from a fall and a better than 1 percent chance of dying from an opiod overdose. 

So for us older people the risk increases but the health of people over 50 is worse than people below 50.  So if you are  exercise and eat healthy and don't have any pre-existing conditions even among older people your odds of dying are quite remote. 

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Yeah reports are that a lot of people are dying at home from heart attacks afraid to go to the hospital in case they catch covid.   Lots of things you can die from if you don't seek medical care when you have symptoms of something wrong.  Also annual physicals pick up things wrong with you that you didn't know you had.

 

I've put my own off for about 3 months now. And not planning on rescheduling any time soon either.

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I've put my own off for about 3 months now. And not planning on rescheduling any time soon either.

My doctor just did my physical via "tele-visit."  Just can't do bloodwork for 3 to 6 month, whenever it is deemed safe to do so.

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16 hours ago, Number5 said:

My doctor just did my physical via "tele-visit."  Just can't do bloodwork for 3 to 6 month, whenever it is deemed safe to do so.

I have an appointment with my pain specialist in July that will probably be tele-visit. If I can make my computer work...

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What about your cell phone? I did that last week with my heart doctor.

It may be cell phone, I don't know. And that's worse because I know a bit about computers. But I'm a blithering idiot an on my phone. I know ZERO about them.

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Most elective procedures aren’t permitted yet.    And in any event, you’d have to be pretty risk tolerant to go to a hospital if you had other options.     All those people who use the ER for non-emergencies are probably staying away.    

How people are not getting early prognosis of potentially deadly things because of this? How many things will be missed due to videocon appointment vs real live hand on assessment? The ramifications of this shutdown is going to linger for years. The longer it persists the more very deadly ramifications will continue to show up.

As for baseball, the ramifications of missing an entire season, especially if it comes down to the greed of the owner/players, can have long lasting effects. 

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My doctor just did my physical via "tele-visit."  Just can't do bloodwork for 3 to 6 month, whenever it is deemed safe to do so.

You can get bloodwork done.  My wife is getting bloodwork done tomorrow.  

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How people are not getting early prognosis of potentially deadly things because of this? How many things will be missed due to videocon appointment vs real live hand on assessment? The ramifications of this shutdown is going to linger for years. The longer it persists the more very deadly ramifications will continue to show up.

As for baseball, the ramifications of missing an entire season, especially if it comes down to the greed of the owner/players, can have long lasting effects. 

If Home Depot can be open doctors can do routine physicals in person.  Even things as simple as missing routine dentist appointments can be deadly. I had a coworker whose son got infected gums from not going to the dentist that led to a heart infection that led to a 2 week hospital stay and it was touch and go for a while 

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