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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

By the way, I think Santander will be an arbitration-eligible Super 2 next season.  I wonder what he’ll get as a salary.     I’d guess $1.25 mm or so.    

1.25 is nothing. He’s .9 fWAR in only 165 plate appearances. I bet he has real value. Especially in a smaller Park.

He probably has more trade value than any of our other outfielders, because he’s better all-around than any of them, but frankly I’d like to keep him if we could. Defense is important.

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Sure Hays is toolsy and has flashed, but not sure why he would be rated above Santander at the moment. Same could be said about Diaz or McKenna.

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We are still a long ways from sorting the OFers out, but we have real talent - multiple players worthy of everyday opportunities.

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Some trades need to be made, there is no doubt about that.

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2 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

We're coming into this problem during a period where Stewart and Mullins are having maybe the best few weeks of their careers.  It's entirely plausible that one or both of them don't hit enough to be major league starters.  Mancini may not ever fully recover, or may take well into next year.  Hays has never put together an extended stretch where he was both healthy and good, at least not since A ball.  Santander has looked good over the past year, but still has defense and plate discipline concerns.  Mountcastle will not hit .364 for his career, I'll be beyond thrilled if he regularly hits over .300.  Once this all washes out it will probably look a lot less like a roster crunch.

There's a 90% chance that someone not currently in the organization will get 300 PAs as an outfielder for the 2022 Orioles.  There's probably a 30-50% chance that happens in 2021.

Agree. I think its fairly probable we bring in another CFer to at least compete with Hays and Mullins. Someone in the Iglesias price range/tier. No way has either of them earned the right to be guaranteed a spot. Personally I’ve seen enough of Hays. 

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8 minutes ago, joelala said:

Agree. I think its fairly probable we bring in another CFer to at least compete with Hays and Mullins. Someone in the Iglesias price range/tier. No way has either of them earned the right to be guaranteed a spot. Personally I’ve seen enough of Hays. 

I think you’re wrong.    I expect Elias to rely on these two in 2021.    As to your views on Hays, I strongly disagree with your opinion.   He will be a very good player if he can stay healthy.  

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6 minutes ago, joelala said:

Agree. I think its fairly probable we bring in another CFer to at least compete with Hays and Mullins. Someone in the Iglesias price range/tier. No way has either of them earned the right to be guaranteed a spot. Personally I’ve seen enough of Hays. 

With Hays, McKenna, and Mullins fighting for time in CF and Diaz, Santander, Mountcastle, and Stewart fighting for time in LF/RF it seems very unlikely that Elias would spend any of his low budget on a Jose Iglesias type center fielder.

He only got Iglesias because the SS options in the organization were so dreadful.

If Mike's going to get some free agents, they should be starting pitchers or infielders.

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5 hours ago, ofan239 said:

 

Santander May Be Odd Man Out in 2021 or 2022

 

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Anthony Santander may wind up being the) MVO )of the 2020 season ...... in spite of the fact that he will have missed a little more than 1/3 of the season due to injury.

So, even the slightest notion of him being the "odd man out" for the 2021 or 2022 seasons says a lot about the potential depth of the franchise's outfield for the near future.

 

I don't think that Santander will be the odd man out  in 2021 ...... in fact, I suspect that he is probably at least 2 players removed from being the odd man out ...... but again, just the fact that the notion is being entertained in the slightest manner is encouraging to me in regard to the (potential) future of the Orioles' outfield.

 

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2 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

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Anthony Santander may wind up being the) MVO )of the 2020 season ...... in spite of the fact that he will have missed a little more than 1/3 of the season due to injury.

So, even the slightest notion of him being the "odd man out" for the 2021 or 2022 seasons says a lot about the potential depth of the franchise's outfield for the near future.

 

I don't think that Santander will be the odd man out  in 2021 ...... in fact, I suspect that he is probably at least 2 players removed from being the odd man out ...... but again, just the fact that the notion is being entertained in the slightest manner is encouraging to me in regard to the (potential) future of the Orioles' outfield.

 

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Mountcastle is .3 rWAR behind him in half the at bats. 

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

Mountcastle is .3 rWAR behind him in half the at-bats. 

 

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Oh yeah, I forgot about that guy.

Good catch. 

Perhaps my assertion had more validity when Santander first went down with his injury almost 2 weeks ago, on September 4th.

 

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

I'm not saying that you're wrong, BTW. Just that Mountcastle has been outstanding so far.

 

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Thanks.

My first thought in regard to the potential 2020 MVO is the fact that Santander was solid on both sides of the ball this season before his injury ...... but that Mountcastle fellow has been on a super tear this season in a limited amount of games. 

Again, perhaps Santander may have been the odds-on favorite for the award when he went down with his injury of September 4th, but Mountcastle sure has done a lot of catching up in such a short amount of time.

 

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17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think you’re wrong.    I expect Elias to rely on these two in 2021.    As to your views on Hays, I strongly disagree with your opinion.   He will be a very good player if he can stay healthy.  

I agree.  Hyde is promoting Mullins for a Gold Glove. And Hays has been one of the O's top 10 prospects.  No way they spend money on another CFer. Or any other OFer from outside the organization.

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