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Who are the 2020 #1 and #2 Prospects?


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Who are the 2020 #1 and #2 Prospects?  

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  1. 1. Who are the 2020 #1 and #2 Prospects?

    • Rutschman and Hall
      4
    • Rutschman and Gunnar Henderson
      0
    • Rutschman and Kjerstad
      1
    • Rutschman and Mountcastle
      7
    • Rutschman and Rodriguez
      38

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Just now, Frobby said:

His offensive flaws are less than I thought.    He’s not much of a defender.    He’s still got time to improve on his weaknesses.   I’m pretty happy with how he’s working out so far.   

I think pitching is more valuable than anything else, so Hall should be 3. 

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There cant be any other answer than rutschman and mountcastle. Had to go back and make sure he was still a prospect but with only 126 at bats inthe Mlb Ryan should be considered one of the favorites next year for ROY. Rutschman is the top catching and top 5 prospect in baseball. 

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2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Kjerstad should be ranked higher than Mountcastle imo.  He has a higher ceiling although you can argue that with no time playing, you “penalize him” for that on lists like this.  
 

 

Yes but on the other hand, MC is already in the show, showing what he can and can’t do. He’s much less Future potential and much more Present performance. Heston is all potential. I think you have to put him first ATM, and I guess Akin and Kremer at also prospects and they probably need to be top 6-7 as well.

hmmmm

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I think the trickiest question is where to place Kjerstad.   I cannot put him above Grayson without having played a MiL game.   But he’s got a credible argument for the no. 3 spot, even if you view him as more like the 7th/9th best talent in the draft rather than the 2nd best.   

Is Mountcastle Akin and Kremer all retain prospect status, they all have to be ahead of Kjersted, don’t they? Prospect is all about potential and Heston hasn’t faced a professional pitch, and the others have all had professional success. 

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4 minutes ago, Philip said:

Is Mountcastle Akin and Kremer all retain prospect status, they all have to be ahead of Kjersted, don’t they? Prospect is all about potential and Heston hasn’t faced a professional pitch, and the others have all had professional success. 

No way..those guys don’t have the upside or potential of Kjerstad.  

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25 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

No way..those guys don’t have the upside or potential of Kjerstad.  

But they are already performing as major leaguers and doing well?

Merely making it to the majors doesn’t necessarily move someone up the prospect list, some guys show up and play lousy. But despite his defense, MC has done well, and Akin and Kremer have been quite good. That has to count for something especially when Kjersted hasn’t done a thing yet.

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It will be interesting to see where these guys are in a year.  

If we had taken Austin Martin with our pick, I think a legit case can be made for Martin to be ranked ahead of GrayRod.  Here we have our FO and analytics guys saying Kjerstad is every bit the hitting prospect that Martin is -- if not a better one.  On MLB.com, Martin is rated 16th overall and GrayRod 31.  Kjerstad comes in at 55.  If Kjerstad knocks the cover off the ball at two levels of A ball next year and enters 2022 at AA and a top 25 prospect, I think a case can be made that Kjerstad could be ahead of GrayRod.

Just saying.  For now, I expect this list should have AR at 1 and GrayRod at 2.    

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After the draft, I took some time and watched video of Kjerstad over the past three seasons. His growth and maturation as a hitter was evident to me. He also became much more athletic in the past two years. He is a solid defender, and should perhaps be a tick above average in a corner OF spot. LH 60 power is not a common tool, especially one who has an 60 hit tool. I believe in the 2020 video I saw. I believe the adjustments he made mechanically and in his approach are legitimate. The hands are tremendous. 

So, as I said a week after the draft, I believe it is Adley and Heston at #1 and #2. That is no indictment of Grayson Rodriguez. I saw him pitch in the summer before his senior year and could see great potential, but he made serious improvement in a short time. He has worked very hard and it shows. That said, I generally would value an everyday middle of the order bat over a pitcher. Pitchers break all too often. 

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