“We’ve got to start playing better defense"

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, jabba72 said:

Statcast has Galvis as 33 OAA from 2015-20 with Iglesias at 22 during the same time period, so I dont think the O's are losing anything defensively unless some age regression happens. Statcast is saying Galvis was the better defender.  I think the O's look like they'll be a above average defensive team this year. Probably no GG winners, but solid. Mountcastle and Cisco /Severino are the only real question marks. 

Ruiz says hello...

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

You conveniently left off last year's numbers. Now maybe Galvis struggled for a reason last year defensively, but he was not good according to statcast while Iglesias was excellent.

Hopefully it was the weight gain that was mentioned, although I’m not sure we have heard anymore about that?

[Sports Guy]

38 minutes ago, Philip said:

As long as I have been following the Orioles, the focus has been on a fence at the expense of defense, regardless of what anybody said. The fact that we had Sterling Defense for a few years was apparently luck more than anything else.

any team with a lineup that includes Valencia, Trumbo, Alvarez, and a couple other names that escape me at the moment, doesn’t care about D.

This is wrong.  You can’t and won’t have great defenders at every position and even if you did, your offense would likely suck to the point where great defense wouldn’t matter.

[Can_of_corn]

I think all young pitchers should have a poor defense behind them.  Incentives strike outs.

[HowAboutThat]

55 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

This is wrong.  You can’t and won’t have great defenders at every position and even if you did, your offense would likely suck to the point where great defense wouldn’t matter.

But you’ve got to have SOME guys who are good. Manny was magic. Everyone else was average or worse by about:2016, and nothing has improved. And the guys I mentioned were poster boys for bad D, although Valencia was an ok 1B, and Trumbo would have been as well, but some fool decided he was an outfielder 

[jabba72]

1 hour ago, Philip said:

Ruiz says hello...

Elias doesn't seem bothered enough by his defense to look for a replacement. Thats not exactly a glowing endorsement but Ruiz was +2 OAA last year. 

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Philip said:

But you’ve got to have SOME guys who are good. Manny was magic. Everyone else was average or worse by about:2016, and nothing has improved. And the guys I mentioned were poster boys for bad D, although Valencia was an ok 1B, and Trumbo would have been as well, but some fool decided he was an outfielder 

They did have some guys.  The defenses were very good in the 2012-2014 years.  
 

2016 team wasn’t as good but they still made the playoffs, so I’m not sure why you feel the need to bring that up as if it was some failure on their part?

[Beef Supreme]

4 minutes ago, Philip said:

But you’ve got to have SOME guys who are good. Manny was magic. Everyone else was average or worse by about:2016, and nothing has improved. And the guys I mentioned were poster boys for bad D, although Valencia was an ok 1B, and Trumbo would have been as well, but some fool decided he was an outfielder 

That fool was Mike Scioscia. Trumbo started 96 games in the outfield in 2012 after the Angels signed Pujols. He continued to play outfield primarily for the 2014 & 2015 Dbacks and the 2015 Mariners. He was an embarrassment out there, for sure, but it's not like the Orioles were the first fools to play him in the grass.

[HowAboutThat]

3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

They did have some guys.  The defenses were very good in the 2012-2014 years.  
 

2016 team wasn’t as good but they still made the playoffs, so I’m not sure why you feel the need to bring that up as if it was some failure on their part?

The 2012-14 teams had great defense. The 2016 team barely squeaked into the playoffs as the second wildcard(iirc) a single additional win and they would’ve been the first wildcard, but the defense was terrible and getting worse. 2017 didn’t happen without some long term blindness, And ignoring defense was a large part of that.

[interloper]

Anyone know why exactly Jones was moved from OF to 2B? Just curious why they'd move a guy to a more difficult position. 

[HowAboutThat]

3 hours ago, Beef Supreme said:

That fool was Mike Scioscia. Trumbo started 96 games in the outfield in 2012 after the Angels signed Pujols. He continued to play outfield primarily for the 2014 & 2015 Dbacks and the 2015 Mariners. He was an embarrassment out there, for sure, but it's not like the Orioles were the first fools to play him in the grass.

Oh I never said the Orioles were the first, he had some definite “web gems” as a diamondback, But that just makes it all the more inexplicable why Buck and Dan thought he was a competent outfielder

[Sports Guy]

47 minutes ago, Philip said:

The 2012-14 teams had great defense. The 2016 team barely squeaked into the playoffs as the second wildcard(iirc) a single additional win and they would’ve been the first wildcard, but the defense was terrible and getting worse. 2017 didn’t happen without some long term blindness, And ignoring defense was a large part of that.

Lack of talent was the reason for that.

[Moose Milligan]

I just looked at the box score for tonights game against the Pirates.  5 errors, wtf?

[eddie83]

22 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I just looked at the box score for tonights game against the Pirates.  5 errors, wtf?

Watch the game tomorrow morning on replay.  You won’t regret it. 
 

The 5 errors do not tell the whole story.  
 

It was much worse. 

[Woody Held]

12 hours ago, eddie83 said:

Watch the game tomorrow morning on replay.  You won’t regret it. 
 

The 5 errors do not tell the whole story.  
 

It was much worse. 

Yep,  great circle routes to fly balls. Throwing the ball around the field like little leaguers.  The wind was howling so some of the fly balls were an adventure but still.  BTW the Pirates had 4 errors so what ever was going on was contagious