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41 minutes ago, Mr. Chewbacca Jr. said:

The upcoming FA class is loaded. It would be interesting to see if they maybe pounce for someone. I'm not sure if the O's have a true MLB SS on the farm, and this FA class is as plentiful with SS-stars as there has ever been.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/04/2021-22-mlb-free-agent-power-rankings-2.html

Unfortunately Lindor is off the board. Correa reunion with Elias makes a lot of sense. Elias apparently prioritizing OF and pitching makes you think free agency might be the plan for infield. 

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I agree that their inability to develop quality pitching has been their biggest issue.  Let's not forget Tillman was a Mariners prospect we traded for...I guess one could claim we developed him to a c

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Agreed to a point, but I also don't think either of us could make the organization .500 in the AL East faster than Elias. I'm not judging the results unless there are specific bad decisions we can poi

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The end of the 2023 season is nearly three full seasons from now.  By then you expect little or nothing out of Grayson Rodriguez, Kjerstad, DL Hall, Mountcastle, Gunnar Henderson, Diaz, Baumann, Kreme

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Tampa Bay is a better run Org than Baltimore.  Yet they have still not won a World Series even though they have been to two since we last won one in 1983.

The Orioles were able to have one of the best records in baseball over a 5 year stretch while having almost no foreign talent pool and a micromanaging owner.  Oh and a manager and owner's lackey who often meddled with the GM.

It seems to me that when we are terrible we make too much of the financial abilities of NY BOS and to an extent TOR.  

The model should be Baltimore...not Tampa, not St. Louis and it will never be NY or Boston.  We need to acquire, develop and EVALUATE talent at an elite level.  If we do that, we can compete.  And I think a model that is elite recognizing and developing talent, can also then manage the contracts that should be extended and vice versa.  

Yes all of this is extremely oversimplified.  But so be it.  That's what we need.  Are we on track?  My magic 8 ball says:  "Ask again later!"

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7 hours ago, glenn__davis said:

3.  The economic landscape wouldn't be nearly so damaging if they'd just get rid of the stupid unbalanced schedule.  For Baltimore and TB to have to have a schedule so loaded against NYY, BOS and TOR is ridiculous.  Toronto is a sleeping giant financially.

 

The unbalanced schedule is totally unfair when teams are competing for wild-card berths. MLB needs to return to a balance schedule to ensure competitive balance, 

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1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

Unfortunately Lindor is off the board. Correa reunion with Elias makes a lot of sense. Elias apparently prioritizing OF and pitching makes you think free agency might be the plan for infield. 

I will boo Correa every time he steps to the plate in an Orioles uniform if that were to happen.

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10 hours ago, kidrock said:

It seems like that the only possible way that the O’s (or most teams for that matter) can compete is by building an elite farm system.  Given how hard and how slow that process is, I wanted to ask the O’s experts on here a few simple question for discussion:  

1. how long would you estimate that it takes for a team to go from a mediocre/poor farm system, to a system that has produced enough major league talent to win in the AL east?  Additionally, how long in your opinion does the pro club need to suck while building the farm.

2. is there a team that you would prefer that the O’s model their approach after?  Is it Tampa?  Toronto? St. Louis?  I think the Tampa model is the most brutally efficient, but I can’t see many people truly being happy with that model in the long haul (getting rid of good players while value is high, rarely spending a dollar in FA).

3. do you like the financial model of baseball as opposed to other professional leagues?  Baseball has always been my favorite sport, but it really seems to favor the larger market teams in the end.  Not that smaller market teams can’t compete, it’s just that every year it seems the larger market teams win.  I know there are some poor large market orgs, but I personally get disinterested when I see how imbalanced the competitive landscape can be at times.

 

1.  4-5 years.   See Houston.  We already have gone from having a terrible farm system to a top 5.....so the progress is clearly being made.

2.  Houston.  Minus the cheating of course.

3.  No.  But it is what it is.  I think most rational actors agree there should be a salary "cap" and "floor" in MLB.   Hopefully I am able to live to see the day.

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21 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Just curious why? I haven't followed him closely enough to like or dislike. Just the cheating thing? 

The cheating is the genesis of it all. Afterwards instead of apologizing he chose to be abrasive and act like they were victims. He seems to be roundly disliked around baseball.

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6 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

The modification I would like to see to the Tampa model, would be that the O's would sign young stars/top prospects to under market deals and keep them for the most part instead of trading them for more prospects. 

That’s closer to the White Sox model . And I agree it’s the way to go. 

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12 minutes ago, survivedc said:

The cheating is the genesis of it all. Afterwards instead of apologizing he chose to be abrasive and act like they were victims. He seems to be roundly disliked around baseball.

Correa is a gamer and we’d be lucky to have him. The only knock on him is durability.

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4 minutes ago, joelala said:

Correa is a gamer and we’d be lucky to have him. The only knock on him is durability.

He’s a jerk. There’s no denying his talent, but there are a few talented guys at the same position that don’t carry the baggage. I want guys I can root for.

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1 minute ago, survivedc said:

He’s a jerk. There’s no denying his talent, but there are a few talented guys at the same position that don’t carry the baggage. I want guys I can root for.

You wouldn’t want a guy who defends his teammates and the org? I get the whole cheating thing looks bad, but maybe it just doesn’t bother me as much as a lot of other people. And everything I’ve read about Correa is that he’s a great teammate and an extremely hard worker. Sign me up if the price is right. What specifically makes him a jerk? When I think of a player who was a jerk I think of someone like Aubrey Huff, not Correa. 

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11 minutes ago, survivedc said:

He’s a jerk. There’s no denying his talent, but there are a few talented guys at the same position that don’t carry the baggage. I want guys I can root for.

Lots of guys are jerks.  From all I have heard Mussina was a jerk.  Loved having him on the team.

A LOT of folks think Machado is a jerk.

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