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Martin showed off good range and a strong arm last night.  He looked like an upgrade at SS.  But he went 0-3.  Urias can hit some but he didn't get to a pop fly at 2nd that he probably should have had.  Didn't look like he got a good jump on it.

I am interested to see more of Martin at SS.

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Martin showed off good range and a strong arm last night.  He looked like an upgrade at SS.  But he went 0-3.  Urias can hit some but he didn't get to a pop fly at 2nd that he probably should have had

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McCoy is am org guy without a carrying tool that will allow him to be a successful major league regular. He's ok defensively at SS, but doesn't really have the athleticism, range and arm you would rea

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I don't think there's any question that Martin can play SS.  But there are many questions on whether or not he can hit.  I've always been bearish on him and for that that I have very little interest in seeing him now, but sure, run him out for a time and see if he can improve. 

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His outstanding play in the 3rd base side hole last night was 2nd on ESPN's top 10 highlights of the day.  No question that he's a talented defensive SS.  He also does a nice job of being the infield boss out there on popups.   

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26 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

His outstanding play in the 3rd base side hole last night was 2nd on ESPN's top 10 highlights of the day.  No question that he's a talented defensive SS.  He also does a nice job of being the infield boss out there on popups.   

Best defensive play by an Orioles SS this year, IMO.

Back in 2019 the advanced defensive metrics did not like him.   I always felt he was a little better than those stats showed.  But, not enough to justify his lack of a. bat.   We’ll see what he brings this time around.   

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7 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

That was a great play, no question. Unfortunately he has brought Chris Davis level offense so far. What OPS would it take for Martin to be, say, a 3 WAR player? 

Even if he were the best defender in the league (and he’s not) it would be impossible if he doesn’t hit better.  Adam Everett was a 3 WAR player 2004-06 with an OPS between .642 and .703 those three years.   But Martin was at .581 in 2019.   

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It's difficult to judge Martin at this point since he's lost so much time to injury. We shouldn't forget that his 2019 stats reflect his Rule 5 jump from AA to ML, and that his minor league OPS was in the acceptable range for a SS with a good glove. He's got two months to prove he can hit. Of course, the bar isn't very high in Baltimore right now.

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8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Even if he were the best defender in the league (and he’s not) it would be impossible if he doesn’t hit better.  Adam Everett was a 3 WAR player 2004-06 with an OPS between .642 and .703 those three years.   But Martin was at .581 in 2019.   

Yeah, Iglesias is a .700 OPS guy and still hasn't broken 3 WAR. Martin would have to bring prime Andrelton Simmons level defense and still be close to .700. Could be a useful player but I am having a hard time seeing every day starter.   

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9 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

He's shown in one game that he's by far the best Oriole SS on the team and perhaps the system. Question now is what to do with his bat?  

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Also, I don’t think one game can show you how good a defender he is.   We know he’s capable of making plays Urias can’t make.  How steady and consistent will he be?    In 2019, not very.   Frankly I don’t doubt he’s better than Urias, who’s below average.   But whether Martin can be above average remains to be seen.   He wasn’t in 2019, and he needs to be in order to carry his bat.  

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9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

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Also, I don’t think one game can show you how good a defender he is.   We know he’s capable of making plays Urias can’t make.  How steady and consistent will he be?    In 2019, not very.   Frankly I don’t doubt he’s better than Urias, who’s below average.   But whether Martin can be above average remains to be seen.   He wasn’t in 2019, and he needs to be in order to carry his bat.  

 

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Some of the advanced defensive numbers didn’t like Martin at SS in 2019 iirc.

Bbref rfield is -11 in 2019 which isnt good. OAA in 2019 is -1 (20 out of 35), which is almost average. But I remembered him being solid. I didnt see him as a poor defensive SS but its possible he misplayed alot of balls I didnt see. 

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6 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

 

Bbref rfield is -11 in 2019 which isnt good. OAA in 2019 is -1 (20 out of 35), which is almost average. But I remembered him being solid. I didnt see him as a poor defensive SS but its possible he misplayed alot of balls I didnt see. 

UZR had him at -4.2 and UZR/150 was -11.

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