Orioles looking to trade Means?

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Philip said:

The only pitching they have in their top 10 is far enough away that it wouldn’t help us this year, and if you’re trading means I want to trade him for pitchingThe only pitching they have in their top 10 is far enough away that it wouldn’t help us this year, and if you’re trading means I want to trade him for pitching

You trade him for the best offer.   You may a preference and if you view 2 packages similarly and want to take the pitchers, fine..but you don’t take a lesser deal just because pitchers are involved.  I don’t care if the best package is a first baseman and a COer, you make that deal and sort the rest out later.

[HowAboutThat]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

You trade him for the best offer.   You may a preference and if you view 2 packages similarly and want to take the pitchers, fine..but you don’t take a lesser deal just because pitchers are involved.  I don’t care if the best package is a first baseman and a COer, you make that deal and sort the rest out later.

That’s a valid point, and I’m not sure there are that many pitching now for pitching now trades anyway, They’ve got two outstanding position players in Rodriguez and Kirby I think and Means wouldn’t touch either one, I’m not sure who else they have we would want. Not Kelenic, I don’t think he’s going to amount to much.

I’m not sure which teams match up with us best, but if we trade Means I  guys who will help us right now rather than in a year or two.

[connja]

1 hour ago, Philip said:

FWIW:

 

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/11/23/22798841/john-means-trade-to-the-mariners

Bedard flashbacks would prevent this.

[LookinUp]

 

 

[interloper]

56 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

 

 

Sounds about right. Another case of a reporter hearing "listening" and writing "dangling". 

[Frobby]

25 minutes ago, interloper said:

Sounds about right. Another case of a reporter hearing "listening" and writing "dangling". 

Maybe the other reporter heard something a little different than Connolly did.   In any event, I’m glad they are listening.  It would take a very strong offer to justify moving him.   

[sportsfan8703]

15 hours ago, Philip said:

FWIW:

 

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/11/23/22798841/john-means-trade-to-the-mariners

I think I matter have to consider that deal in the article. Williamson, Macko/Phillips, 3rd piece. However, I’d like the 3rd piece to be a Pinto 2.0 piece and not a 20k Sr sign OF. 
 

What I like about that theorized trade is that we’re not getting guys that are top 100 prospects right now, but rather guys that will likely be top 100 one year from now. 2023/2024 ETA is what we’re looking for. Plus they’re top 10 guys from a very deep system. Would we trade Means for Gunnar and Kjerstad/Stowers?

[wildcard]

2 hours ago, LookinUp said:

 

 

Thank you Mr Connolly.

[waroriole]

22 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I think I matter have to consider that deal in the article. Williamson, Macko/Phillips, 3rd piece. However, I’d like the 3rd piece to be a Pinto 2.0 piece and not a 20k Sr sign OF. 
 

What I like about that theorized trade is that we’re not getting guys that are top 100 prospects right now, but rather guys that will likely be top 100 one year from now. 2023/2024 ETA is what we’re looking for. Plus they’re top 10 guys from a very deep system. Would we trade Means for Gunnar and Kjerstad/Stowers?

Williamson looks very solid. Great K numbers at AA but with pitchers I always want to see them before judging them positively. Macko and Phillips look to have serious control problems. This is not enough for me to want to move Means. 

[sportsfan8703]

20 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Williamson looks very solid. Great K numbers at AA but with pitchers I always want to see them before judging them positively. Macko and Phillips look to have serious control problems. This is not enough for me to want to move Means. 

Usually once SP reach AA and excel, you don’t see them traded. 

[UMDTerrapins]

I’ve always assumed that when word leaks that a team is dangling a player, or gauging interest, there will be a qualifying statement like this one to follow. But the original leak is quite deliberate. However, in this day and age, why is this even necessary? Just send out a group text. Would a rival GM leak a text/email out of spite? Do GMs do everything by voice so they can preserve deniability? 

[waroriole]

2 minutes ago, UMDTerrapins said:

I’ve always assumed that when word leaks that a team is dangling a player, or gauging interest, there will be a qualifying statement like this one to follow. But the original leak is quite deliberate. However, in this day and age, why is this even necessary? Just send out a group text. Would a rival GM leak a text/email out of spite? Do GMs do everything by voice so they can preserve deniability? 

I assume a GM told Buster that so he’s give the GM info that he wanted, either now or in the future. 

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, UMDTerrapins said:

I’ve always assumed that when word leaks that a team is dangling a player, or gauging interest, there will be a qualifying statement like this one to follow. But the original leak is quite deliberate. However, in this day and age, why is this even necessary? Just send out a group text. Would a rival GM leak a text/email out of spite? Do GMs do everything by voice so they can preserve deniability? 

Kevin Goldstein had some interesting insights on leaks in his chat this week:

1:21

Fart Barfunkel: Why do some FO folks leak? Is it just good relationships with certain media members, trying to drum up early excitement before things are official? What possesses somebody to text Jon Heyman they are close to a deal to acquire ___ from ____?

1:22

Kevin Goldstein: Fun question. Some people like to see it in the press and think it’s them. Some people just love talking baseball and don’t get to do it enough internally, and all sorts of other weird reasons.

1:25

Matthew: If someone in a FO leaks something to the media that they’re not supposed to and they get caught, does anything happen?

1:26

Kevin Goldstein: It has.

1:28

SJ: What percentage of leaks from front offices are authorized/known by the higher ups versus an employee doing so on their own?

1:28

Kevin Goldstein: 15/85 is my no real thought gut reaction. I think some teams use the media better than others, and many don’t try to, to be fair.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/kevin-goldstein-fangraphs-chat-11-22-2021/

 

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

Trading Means? Disgusting. Particularly when it’s not even selling high. And question to the board (Elias cult defenders): point to some astute trades/signings/waiver claims that have impressed you. Tyler Wells is not evidence of greatness. Excuses and excuses. We haven’t had a stud reliever since Mussina and haven’t won a championship in nearly 40 years yet the board is clamoring for his departure? This isn’t a fan board, it’s an Elias personality cult. 

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Trading Means? Disgusting. Particularly when it’s not even selling high. And question to the board (Elias cult defenders): point to some astute trades/signings/waiver claims that have impressed you. Tyler Wells is not evidence of greatness. Excuses and excuses. We haven’t had a stud reliever since Mussina and haven’t won a championship in nearly 40 years yet the board is clamoring for his departure? This isn’t a fan board, it’s an Elias personality cult. 

Oh, get over yourself.   If Means actually gets traded and you don’t like the return, you can complain then.   Nobody’s clamoring for his departure.   Lots of people are in favor of knowing what the potential return would be, rather than refusing to find out.  

By the way, Mussina wasn’t a reliever, and we’ve definitely had stud relievers since he left.