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30 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

Mayo is a guy that likely gets traded so maybe a little work at those positions, but he should be showcased as a 3b to maintain his value.  If he can show viable at other positions while holding down 3B this year in AA that would be a plus.  

Mayo may have the best power in the organization. He’s young and can potentially play three positions.

Zero reason to even consider trading him at this point unless some team values him as the main piece in a trade for a top player. The guy you trade is Mountcastle, not Mayo.

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I think a lot has to do with him being 23+.  The shiny new toy lost just a little bit of it's luster.  At this point I don't care so much about the rankings; I just want him to come up and perform.  

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I think Keith Law had him about there.   Reading the write-up, I think Longenhagen was influenced by the fact that Grayson’s stuff wasn’t as sharp when he returned from the lat strain.  Personally I’m

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Cowser missed another list or two.  Westburg had been shockingly stable, in the 60s or 70s, on every list of note put out so far iirc.

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9 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Mayo may have the best power in the organization. He’s young and can potentially play three positions.

Zero reason to even consider trading him at this point unless some team values him as the main piece in a trade for a top player. The guy you trade is Mountcastle, not Mayo.

I think Mayo still has a lot to prove.  Yes he has power, but he hit .250 across HiA/AA last year.  Obviously he’s young for his level, but there’s a risk he’s a .220 hitter once he reaches the majors.  I’m not saying that’s what he’ll be, but he needs to show that’s a unlikely outcome.  

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46 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

Mayo is a guy that likely gets traded so maybe a little work at those positions, but he should be showcased as a 3b to maintain his value.  If he can show viable at other positions while holding down 3B this year in AA that would be a plus.  

Maybe in about 10 years.   He is 21.

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8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think Mayo still has a lot to prove.  Yes he has power, but he hit .250 across HiA/AA last year.  Obviously he’s young for his level, but there’s a risk he’s a .220 hitter once he reaches the majors.  I’m not saying that’s what he’ll be, but he needs to show that’s an unlikely outcome.  

Of course he has a lot to prove. All prospects do.

But he can be a 220 hitter if he has a 350ish OBP and a 550ish slugging.

Although hopefully he’s not a 220 guy. 

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19 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

It begins.

The best part about this top 100 list is that it's pretty much the last one before real baseball is played and we start getting real reports. We're so far from games that these lists are starting to resemble NFL draft speculation/talk in my opinion.

I'm also a huge believer in the offseason and know injuries happen a lot. That means we're about to see real improvements and real disappointments. Lists will change significantly. 

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Mayo is a guy that likely gets traded ...

Huh. Only for a stud SP, at this point. 

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Of course he has a lot to prove. All prospects do.

But he can be a 220 hitter if he has a 350ish OBP and a 550ish slugging.

Although hopefully he’s not a 220 guy. 

It’s extremely tough to be a .550 slugger and a .220 hitter.   That’s a .330 ISO.   Exactly one player did that last year - Aaron Judge.  Next were Yordan Alvarez at .306 and Kyle Schwarber at .286.   Schwarber is probably closest to what you’re talking about - his line was .218/.323/.504.   

No point in going further down that comp path yet, since we are not ready to say that a .220 BA is the likely outcome for Mayo, nor am I ready to say his power is comparable to Schwarber’s, though maybe it will be.   Really, the question is whether he’ll be a better overall hitter than Mountcastle.   
 

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41 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Mayo may have the best power in the organization. He’s young and can potentially play three positions.

Zero reason to even consider trading him at this point unless some team values him as the main piece in a trade for a top player. The guy you trade is Mountcastle, not Mayo.

He is also one of the most volatile.  If they are truly in 'win now' mode they will need to make some trades.  I don't think they will trade away players on the MLB roster, but rather a high ceiling player that's in the mid minors (during the season).  You have to give up value to get value.  It's not that I don't like him, he just seems to fit the bill. 

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He is also one of the most volatile.  If they are truly in 'win now' mode they will need to make some trades.  I don't think they will trade away players on the MLB roster, but rather a high ceiling player that's in the mid minors (during the season).  You have to give up value to get value.  It's not that I don't like him, he just seems to fit the bill. 

The Os have, in theory, OF and MI depth. That’s what you trade out of.

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The Os have, in theory, OF and MI depth. That’s what you trade out of.

Do you confine yourself to those parameters? Or do you try to maximize value depending on how the market values your players?   If you can get an impact SP with Mayo as a headliner do you do that?  Or do you hold because you'd prefer to trade from your OF/IF depth? 

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10 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

Do you confine yourself to those parameters? Or do you try to maximize value depending on how the market values your players?   If you can get an impact SP with Mayo as a headliner do you do that?  Or do you hold because you'd prefer to trade from your OF/IF depth? 

So many factors to determine that. Mayo isn’t untouchable but there are a lot of guys you trade before him unless you are really starting to doubt his game.

Trading out of the depth you have is the first place you should be looking to trade.

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So many factors to determine that. Mayo isn’t untouchable but there are a lot of guys you trade before him unless you are really starting to doubt his game.

Trading out of the depth you have is the first place you should be looking to trade.

I agree.  I’m just thinking like an outside org.  Of course I’d like to trade from depth.  But if I’m looking at the Os top 10, knowing there are a couple untouchables, he’s the first guy that would interest me.  

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