GrayRod or Hall up next?

[RZNJ]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Yes, missed that.  Do you know if the IL is 10 or 15 days for pitchers?

15

[MurphDogg]

Part of being in the AAA rotation is that if the big league club needs a starter and it is your turn in the rotation, you are going to be an option to make the start. If it was Spenser Watkins' turn, he would make the start instead. Hopefully Grayson makes the most of this opportunity.

[interloper]

8 hours ago, Frobby said:

I don’t care about a yo-yo situation here.  This isn’t some relatively inexperienced minor leaguer having his development path interrupted.  This is a fully developed minor leaguer who is having admittedly serious hiccups this spring, but I don’t think making a major league start or two would hurt him so badly that we need to steer clear.   Quite simply, do whatever gives us the best chance to win tomorrow.   

I certainly understand this take. I just think Voth gives you a better chance to win than whatever this version of Grayson is. Voth has done it before, and Grayson has just looked so, so bad dating back to last year.

Hey maybe it clicks for him with the adrenaline of being in the big leagues, and I'll be interested to find out, but I just don't find it very likely. And I think it's just going to be a waste. You're burning a year of control just on the chance that he's maybe better than Voth against ML hitters for one game. And doing that knowing he's clearly still working through some things in his development. What is the upside here?

Edited April 5, 2023 by interloper

[RVAOsFan]

14 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

Part of being in the AAA rotation is that if the big league club needs a starter and it is your turn in the rotation, you are going to be an option to make the start. If it was Spenser Watkins' turn, he would make the start instead. Hopefully Grayson makes the most of this opportunity.

I think this is it.  It might not be the ideal time to call him up but he is needed.

I also seem to remember something said last year when Hall came up and pitched about the organization liked to give guys a taste of the MLB so they can see what they still need to work on.  I think this was mentioned when Stowers got brought up in Toronto too, maybe Elias is looking at it from this angle as well.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, RVAOsFan said:

I think this is it.  It might not be the ideal time to call him up but he is needed.

I also seem to remember something said last year when Hall came up and pitched about the organization liked to give guys a taste of the MLB so they can see what they still need to work on.  I think this was mentioned when Stowers got brought up in Toronto too, maybe Elias is looking at it from this angle as well.

Weird they didn't do that with Adley or Mountcastle.

[dystopia]

Okay I'm just going to say it: I don't agree with this move. He's not ready and this loses a year of service time. 

Edited April 5, 2023 by dystopia

[MurphDogg]

1 minute ago, dystopia said:

Okay I'm just going to say it: I don't agree with this move. He's not ready and this loses a year of service time. 

Only if he pitches well and stays up. If he pitches poorly, he goes back down and ends up not getting a full year of service time this year.

[dystopia]

Just now, MurphDogg said:

Only if he pitches well and stays up. If he pitches poorly, he goes back down and ends up not getting a full year of service time this year.

They still should have waited until the service date passed. He hasn't pitched well and the service time issue made it a no-brainer to start him at AAA. Don't understand this move at all. It's very short-sighted. 

[Aristotelian]

19 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Okay I'm just going to say it: I don't agree with this move. He's not ready and this loses a year of service time. 

If he pitches well and sticks he has a chance at ROY. If he pitches poorly, he goes back to AAA and his service time clock stops. 

[RVAOsFan]

Let’s go!

[banks703]

53 minutes ago, interloper said:

 and Grayson has just looked so, so bad dating back to last year.

I am pretty tuned into all things Orioles and I have a hard time seeing that he's been "so, so bad dating back to last year". 

 

He had a lat injury that they were careful with and did return at the end of the minor league season, which, can be thought of similarly to Spring Training for pitchers and prospects especially. I wouldn't pay as much attention to numbers in the minors or in Spring Training as these are games in which pitchers (especially) are working on things. Got a new pitch? Throw it in ST. Moving to the left on the rubber? Try it in ST. I would look more closely at what they said about his command of his pitches and mental state vs. his minor league numbers at the end of last year and his ST stats this year. 

 

I do agree that on the surface it looks somewhat head-scratching given the service time argument but as a few of us have pointed out in this thread, bringing him up (although I don't think he's been confirmed) to start is what they think gives them the best chance to win the game tonight. I think that them being in Texas, GrayRod's home state, probably does influence this decision, albeit not a major deciding factor. He also lines up to throw today. Knowing how careful and deliberate that they are with their prospects, I don't think that they would bring him up to pitch if they didn't think that it would yield something for them, be that in the short-term with a successful outing tonight or the long-term by simply giving him a taste of a regular-season major league lineup. 

Edited April 5, 2023 by banks703

[Sports Guy]

Grayson be getting a regular jersey number too.

[MurphDogg]

2 minutes ago, banks703 said:

I do agree that on the surface it looks somewhat head-scratching given the service time argument but as a few of us have pointed out in this thread, bringing him up (although I don't think he's been confirmed) to start is what they think gives them the best chance to win the game tonight.

Don't forget it is a day game.

Game starts in less than 5 hours!

Edited April 5, 2023 by MurphDogg

[jamalshw]

18 minutes ago, dystopia said:

They still should have waited until the service date passed. He hasn't pitched well and the service time issue made it a no-brainer to start him at AAA. Don't understand this move at all. It's very short-sighted. 

It's a necessity move. What are the other options? They could have held Hall back, but he isn't fully stretched out and didn't look good last night either. Watkins and Zimmermann pitched recently. They could've called up Krehbiel and gone with Voth, but he looked worse than Rodriguez this spring and isn't as stretched out either given the longest I think he went this spring was 3 innings and that was several weeks ago. Who else is there? Rom, Watson? I don't think they're any more ready than Rodriguez. 

I think this goes two ways: (1) he pitches well and stays in the Majors and it's not really much different than if he had made the team out of spring training or (2) he struggles like he did this spring (and the first game in Norfolk) and he's back down to AAA as soon as Bradish is off the IL. In the latter situation, he stays in AAA long enough to regain the extra year of service time. 

[Ohfan67]

27 minutes ago, dystopia said:

They still should have waited until the service date passed. He hasn't pitched well and the service time issue made it a no-brainer to start him at AAA. Don't understand this move at all. It's very short-sighted. 

They don’t care nearly as much about service time as many posters think they do. They clearly wanted to promote Grayson last year and kept him in AAA too long. Besides, if he’s great the Orioles won’t be able to afford even the last year of control. Use him while health and finances allow.