Trade targets: Starters and Bullpen

[bluedog]

Wouldn't be shocked to see the O's and Cards match up.

The Cardinals look to be out of contention and unless they make a run before the trade deadline, they might move one or more of their solid bullpen arms. Jeff Passan has suggested they might be looking at a fire sale and that every player on their roster is potentially available.

Ryan Helsley's 100MPH fastball would be a nice compliment to Bautista and Cano. Flaherty may also be on the block and benefit from a change of teams.

 

[RVAOsFan]

16 minutes ago, bluedog said:

Wouldn't be shocked to see the O's and Cards match up.

The Cardinals look to be out of contention and unless they make a run before the trade deadline, they might move one or more of their solid bullpen arms. Jeff Passan has suggested they might be looking at a fire sale and that every player on their roster is potentially available.

Ryan Helsley's 100MPH fastball would be a nice compliment to Bautista and Cano. Flaherty may also be on the block and benefit from a change of teams.

 

I know this is a pitching thread but Goldschmidt in the middle of our lineup makes my tongue swell up. 

[Just Regular]

STL has a lot of good players if it goes all the way bad.

Jordan Montgomery is such a stable SP I can almost imagine Mike Elias giving him more than one year.   

He's the better Gibson like Gibson was a better Lyles.

[Bemorewins]

36 minutes ago, RVAOsFan said:

I know this is a pitching thread but Goldschmidt in the middle of our lineup makes my tongue swell up. 

What do you think it would cost to pull off a blockbuster type deal for Goldschmidt and Flaherty or Montgomery? Goldy has 1 more year left on his deal and I believe Flaherty and Montgomery are both FAs after this year.

[Sports Guy]

I’m all for making a run at Goldschmidt but Mountcastle has to be in the deal for me to do it. If for no reason than the roster makeup. (unless of course Mounty is dealt in a different deal at the same time)

I do wonder if Elias would trade a lot for a mid 30s RH hitter..plus I doubt JA would authorize his salary.

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I’m all for making a run at Goldschmidt but Mountcastle has to be in the deal for me to do it. If for no reason than the roster makeup. (unless of course Mounty is dealt in a different deal at the same time)

I do wonder if Elias would trade a lot for a mid 30s RH hitter..plus I doubt JA would authorize his salary.

Pretty sure he has a no trade clause as well.

[bpilktree]

12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Pretty sure he has a no trade clause as well.

He also has to be a 10 and 5 guy as well.  Though I would think he might wave it if he thinks a team has chance at World Series title.  

[RVAOsFan]

1 hour ago, Bemorewins said:

What do you think it would cost to pull off a blockbuster type deal for Goldschmidt and Flaherty or Montgomery? Goldy has 1 more year left on his deal and I believe Flaherty and Montgomery are both FAs after this year.

Great question, I would love to know the answer.

I would agree with @Sports Guy I am including Mountcastle in the deal. 
 

 Mountcastle, Hall/Norby, Bassalo/ Willhelms, lottery ticket.

Does that get it done? Cards are shedding salary and getting younger. MLB player, 2 borderline top 100 prospects and a lottery ticket seems pretty solid. 
 

[Bemorewins]

6 hours ago, RVAOsFan said:

Great question, I would love to know the answer.

I would agree with @Sports Guy I am including Mountcastle in the deal. 
 

 Mountcastle, Hall/Norby, Bassalo/ Willhelms, lottery ticket.

Does that get it done? Cards are shedding salary and getting younger. MLB player, 2 borderline top 100 prospects and a lottery ticket seems pretty solid. 
 

I don’t know if the Cards would be willing to accept this or not. But I would try to throw Urias in there if they would accept him. If not we would need to try to deal a separate deal involving him. Maybe one that is for a BP piece? 

[Moose Milligan]

Urias for Cease!!!!

[baltfan]

The more I look at this and the guys potentially available, the more I think they either try to get Cease or an elite reliever arm like Helsley.  Cease fits the Verlander mold.  Elite starter who doesn’t seem quite the same.  Might be slightly discounted but has true #1 upside and can see is clearly better going forward than what they have.   I tend to prefer the elite bullpen arm though.  I 5ink there will be more options, they will cost less, and I am not convinced other starters on the market are better than what they have if G-Rod gets straightened out. 

[Bemorewins]

12 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Urias for Cease!!!!

If only…lol

In all seriousness, Cease has not thrown the ball too well this year and the CHI SOX are trying to climb back in their division race. So, I don’t think Cease is under consideration by either team.

[sportsfan8703]

So far for this year it’s looking like we should get a rental SP like Stroman or Giolito. That would allow us to pitch GR, and Hall, out of the bullpen in September. There’s a lot of season left, and still a good bit of time before the deadline. 

[Sports Guy]

9 hours ago, bpilktree said:

He also has to be a 10 and 5 guy as well.  Though I would think he might wave it if he thinks a team has chance at World Series title.  

He is in his 5th season with St Louis, so I’m not sure he qualifies as a 10/5 guy yet or not.  I thought you had to complete 5 seasons?

I know it’s 10 years and 5 consecutive years with your current org. Does a partial season count as the 5th year or do you need to complete it?  Not seeing anything concrete either way.

Not that it matters since PG has a full NTC anyway.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Sports Guy

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Bemorewins said:

If only…lol

In all seriousness, Cease has not thrown the ball too well this year and the CHI SOX are trying to climb back in their division race. So, I don’t think Cease is under consideration by either team.

There are 8 weeks before the trade deadline.  Long time before teams need to decide whether they’re sellers.  

Honestly, that’s why I don’t pay much attention to threads like these in early June.  The season is only 59 games in, and it’ll be 106 games in at the deadline.  A million things can change between now and then.  If I were king of the realm, trade deadline threads wouldn’t even exist until the all star break at the earliest.