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What contributions do you realistically see John Means making to the 2023 Orioles team?

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It was pretty cool when Dontrelle went into the bullpen for the Marlins.

He has to have his whole Spring Training for probably about 6 weeks with Day 1 being whenever they restart him in minor league games.

I hope the tea leaf they are putting him in in game interviews means the muscle strain recovery going well, but its just words until they put him in a game.

Hyun-Jin Ryu, whose procedure was ~1.5 months later and whose team that we are racing with has also had SP5 performance issues, is pitching minor league games.

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Middle reliever/opener type guy for 4-8 weeks and maybe a bigger role in the playoffs depending on how he looks.

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Food for thought: Wells and Bradish are both on pace to throw more innings at a lower ERA than Means ever did.  

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2 hours ago, jamalshw said:

I'm hoping we see Grayson Rodriguez back after the break and I'm hoping he looks more like we expect him to look. If that's the case, I don't see Means providing much from a starting perspective. He can fill the role the Zimmermann is currently filling. I think he'll prove to be an upgrade over Irvin as a fill-in. 

Zimmermann's role is to sit long periods of time until he is needed and then pitch a few innings.

I don't expect Means in a role like that at all.

I think they will want him to pitch with some sort of regularity.

So maybe he'll go every 5 days or so in September in a piggyback role.   Where he is actually scheduled to pitch a few innings in a given game, not waiting until there's a situation like Zimmermann/Vallimont/Gillaspie/whoever the last man in the pen has been.

Ideally, with the roster expanding by just 2 players in September, he would be one of them.

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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I am looking for Means to pitch in the World Series this fall. And no, I don't think he will be traded.

If Means looks like he's going to return to form, he's a perfect guy to try and extend. He likes it here, the team is good, the Wall is tall, the vibes are immaculate. But we'll have to see how he looks. He's not been the picture of health either, so that's a factor. 

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56 minutes ago, Natty said:

Last year Means gave us 8 IP for $3M. 

This year, so far, he can't pitch and gets  another $3M.

Was it the end of Means career when MLB started checking for foreign substances?

 

Even if you buy that somehow he blew out his elbow trying to pitch without sticky stuff, which I don't think there is much evidence of at all, guys still come back from TJS all the time. 

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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I am looking for Means to pitch in the World Series this fall. And no, I don't think he will be traded.

Well since most of the commercials are betting sites, get that bet in now. You will get good odds.

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44 minutes ago, interloper said:

Even if you buy that somehow he blew out his elbow trying to pitch without sticky stuff, which I don't think there is much evidence of at all, guys still come back from TJS all the time. 

TJS is just expected to happen at this point. 10 years of health between draft and service time ending. 

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17 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

TJS is just expected to happen at this point. 10 years of health between draft and service time ending. 

Exactly.  The only ways you're not getting TJS as a pro pitcher nowadays is if you're a knuckleballer, you retire early due to some other issue, or you're Pat Vendette and each of your arms throws half the pitches of a normal pitcher.  

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Apotheosis of humanity Justin Verlander made it to October 2020 and age 37.5.   

Gerrit's still going good at age 32.8....there are occasional survivors, and being able to run at the game with all your talent all the way through your 20's is very beneficial for you and your Club.

The odds Bradish, Kremer, Grayson, Povich (and Hall if he ever finds it again) make it to 6 years of MLB service without it happening are pretty thin.     

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