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7 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

I think shoring up the back end of the bullpen w/ Hall and Wells brings much more value than having one of them as our 5th starter

5th starter is just a label.  Wells was more than that and maybe Hall could be more than that.   If either is significantly better than Irvin or whoever, I’ll take that and figure out the bullpen without one of them in it.

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11 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

5th starter is just a label.  Wells was more than that and maybe Hall could be more than that.   If either is significantly better than Irvin or whoever, I’ll take that and figure out the bullpen without one of them in it.

If you don't have a reliable bullpen, you are going to lose winnable games. Take Hall and Wells out of our pen right now - how confident are you in the pen going into the playoffs?

Now think about that for an entire season.

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Just now, DirtyBird said:

If you don't have a reliable bullpen, you are going to lose winnable games. Take Hall and Wells out of our pen right now - how confident are you in the pen going into the playoffs?

Now think about that for an entire season.

You are assuming they do nothing else to shore up the bullpen.  And in any event, it’s only one of the two who’d be moved, not both.  

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Hard to predict the future plans for Wells and Hall at this juncture. They could be the two pitchers best suited for closing in 2024 currently in the organization, but the team may also not be willing to throw in the towel on them as starters. We won’t know until we see the off-season moves. If they acquire a SP or two, it makes it much more likely that Wells and/or Hall are RP. If they don’t and instead focus more on acquiring RP, they’ll probably be starters. 

Bradish-Rodriguez-Means-Kremer-Irvin is not a bad rotation. But Hall and Wells have upside to be better than Kremer and Irvin, and you need depth. McDermott and Povich are next on the depth chart and they aren’t ready for MLB action yet. So the only way you can comfortably make Hall/Wells relievers is by bringing in more SP. 

Personally I think it’s pretty likely that both are RP long term. Hall has had health and walk issues as a SP, and this year lost a lot of velo starting. Similar story with Wells with the health and velo, but who didn’t have BB issues and instead had bad HR problems with diminished velo. But I don’t see the Orioles closing the door on them as SP without feeling very confident in the rotation upside & depth without them. 

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18 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

If you don't have a reliable bullpen, you are going to lose winnable games. Take Hall and Wells out of our pen right now - how confident are you in the pen going into the playoffs?

Now think about that for an entire season.

Bullpens have to get reworked every offseason. Some guys will fade and they'll have new guys that contribute out of nowhere.

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I also think there’s a decent chance that Hall or Wells end up closing this postseason. I think Cano is going to be deployed optimally against the best righty stretches of the opposing lineup, and same with Coulombe against lefty stretches, regardless of what inning those come. Wells, Hall and Perez could end up coming in behind Cano and Coulombe to finish games as needed. 

A strong stretch of postseason closing by Wells or Hall could affect plans for 2024. 

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3 minutes ago, dzorange said:

Bullpens have to get reworked every offseason. Some guys will fade and they'll have new guys that contribute out of nowhere.

Sometimes the free agent ends up being a bust, and the waiver claims don't end up panning out and bullpens end up sucking.

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5 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Sometimes the free agent ends up being a bust, and the waiver claims don't end up panning out and bullpens end up sucking.

And sometimes it's the opposite. The opposite seems to be one of Elias' strengths when building a team.

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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Zero interest in Wells as a starter next year. Need to upgraded the rotation and his spot is one you can easily upgrade while also helping the pen.

Wells was fantastic for half a season.  The issue with him is merely whether he can get through a season without suffering arm fatigue.  I don’t think it’s that easy to upgrade from him.  At the same time, it’s tough to go into a season with a starter who has a history of tiring out halfway through the year.  

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9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Wells was fantastic for half a season.  The issue with him is merely whether he can get through a season without suffering arm fatigue.  I don’t think it’s that easy to upgrade from him.  At the same time, it’s tough to go into a season with a starter who has a history of tiring out halfway through the year.  

Well, I wouldn’t call it fantastic but I would definitely agree he had a good half season.

But he is unreliable and some of his peripherals don’t say he’s as good as his ERA showed.

The Os have the money and trade assets to bring in another legit TOR guy and that is exactly what they should be doing.

 

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