Will the O’s trade away a position player before Opening Day?

[wildcard]

5 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

 That isn't enough to justify a roster spot when you also have Mateo and Gunnar can slide over. He can also pinch hit but who for? If we can get any kind of bullpen piece or prospect back I'd think he should be moved. It would hurt to not get anything in return but I don't see what he gives us other than blocking guys. We have all the guys from last year except Frazier. Holliday replaces Frazier. You still need to find ABs for Westburg and Mayo. Something has to give.

Good point about Gunnar backing up 3B and Mateo playing SS when needed.  Urias might go.   But it does not have to be by OD.   There are guys with options that can be sent down until a trade is made.

I think Elias is still waiting for things to shake out.

[Jim'sKid26]

10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

What if you could not hurt the 2024 team but potentially help the 2027 team?

I'd either be looking to add an impact bullpen piece or pieces that are several years away.

Stashing guys that are MLB ready in AAA while guys with lower ceilings are on the team doesn't seem like the "right thing to do".

Prospect for prospect trades are rather rare. Could it happen? Sure. Your contrarian point is well taken.

[Orioles West]

With some substantive free agents, lots of bodies about to fill the waiver wire — I think teams have too many short term options to want one of our (Urias, Mateo options) older extras. I’m guessing Elias may wait.

[wildbillhiccup]

They should, but I don't think they will. I'd personally like to see Elias be a bit less conservative in the trade department. Sure trading a player like Urias or Mateo might backfire if a player gets injured, but it's an educated risk and one that I think is worth taking if there's a market for either player. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Jim'sKid26 said:

Prospect for prospect trades are rather rare. Could it happen? Sure. Your contrarian point is well taken.

I wasn't suggesting prospect for prospects.

I was suggesting making room for the guys at AAA by trading folks like Urias for prospects that are further out.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

I would like to see a trade happen the Orioles can definitely afford to trade an infielder and outfielder for pitching help. I think it's unlikely to get any decent trade offers in spring training and we'll see some moves closer to the traditional trade deadline.

[foxfield]

23 minutes ago, Jim'sKid26 said:

A few more months at AAA isn't going to hamper anyone's development. Why make a trade now when the return is unlikely to be impactful to the 2024 team? The deadline will likely yield a better return. Save your chips. Cash them in when you need to cash them in. Being patient is boring, but it just seems like the right thing to do.

 

18 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

What if you could not hurt the 2024 team but potentially help the 2027 team?

I'd either be looking to add an impact bullpen piece or pieces that are several years away.

Stashing guys that are MLB ready in AAA while guys with lower ceilings are on the team doesn't seem like the "right thing to do".

In fairness, I think both of these answers are correct.  And I expect Elias would make a move if the value is right.  And if not, he too will wait until there is a better opportunity or his needs become more critical.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I wasn't suggesting prospect for prospects.

I was suggesting making room for the guys at AAA by trading folks like Urias for prospects that are further out.

This is a good idea considering the depth the Orioles have and while Urias is a valuable player his trade value might be better in getting a prospect(s) a couple years away over getting a mediocre MLB talent that's ready to play now.

[wildcard]

9 minutes ago, Orioles West said:

With some substantive free agents, lots of bodies about to fill the waiver wire — I think teams have too many short term options to want one of our (Urias, Mateo options) older extras. I’m guessing Elias may wait.

Not many of the bodies on the waiver wire are positional starting players.   Urias could start at 3B/2B for a number of teams is my guess.

[forphase1]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

It’s pretty obvious that the O’s still have a big surplus of major league ready position player talent.   Do you think they’ll trade anyone away before Opening Day?   

I feel that they should.  
 

I too feel they should.   But I don't expect them to do so.  I feel those without options will be on the OD roster and most, if not all,  the kids in the minors.

[Big O]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

No.  On the 10th of March I see 15 position players for 13 spots.   But the toughest part of ST is yet to happen.    Give it time to shake out.

OF - (5) Hays, Mullins, Santander,  Cowser, Stowers

IF - (8) Gunnar, Mounty, O'Hearn, Mayo, Holliday, Westburg, Urias, Mateo

C- (2) Adley, McCann

Agreed on all of the above. Good problem to have. Always listening to see what shakes out for other teams as well, maybe we match up maybe not. We'll see.

That said, if we do match up with the Mariners or Marlins (which seem to be the most mentioned teams) something like what's suggested here, you jump on it. I don't know what's needed to make it work out for both teams but you have to see how it shakes out for both teams in about two weeks. 

https://sodomojo.com/posts/3-sneaky-trade-options-for-the-mariners-at-third-base-with-matt-chapman-off-the-board-01hqy8pepn4c/2

 

That said, I'd love to get an extention or 2 done in the mean time. 

[Philip]

I’m terribly worried that Wong will make the team because “he’s a veteran” or some such malarkey.

I’m equally worried that Elias will do nothing because he’d rather his kids grow old and die in AAA than trade one or two for less than a 100% return.

but I hopefully voted Yes.

The bigger question though, would be why wouldn’t he? We were one Rangers hot streak away from the ALCS. And he won’t part with anything to take another step?

[ThisIsBirdland]

They should, and while I understand fans skepticism over if it will happen, it may be more likely to happen than we think. 

We’re accustomed to Elias holding onto these types of pieces because he’s done so in the past. But just as with the Burnes trade, the team is now in a different position than it has been previously; Elias may appropriately react differently.

@wildcard will have to start a new thread on it being a change in approach by Elias if/when it happens

[wildcard]

12 minutes ago, ThisIsBirdland said:

They should, and while I understand fans skepticism over if it will happen, it may be more likely to happen than we think. 

We’re accustomed to Elias holding onto these types of pieces because he’s done so in the past. But just as with the Burnes trade, the team is now in a different position than it has been previously; Elias may appropriately react differently.

@wildcard will have to start a new thread on it being a change in approach by Elias if/when it happens

So what you are saying is of course the Burnes trade was a change in approach but it was to be expected because the situation was difference?

[foxfield]

5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

So what you are saying is of course the Burnes trade was a change in approach but it was to be expected because the situation was difference?

I think he is saying for most of us. It was going from page 25 in the book to page 26. But some people like to accentuate that the O’s front office was turning a page. 
 

Both are technically correct.