Holliday called up!

[spleen1015]

[Three Run Homer]

The AL ROY race is on...Jackson versus Cowser.  

[Tony-OH]

22 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Why’s it funny when it proved what he said was more true than it being about service time?

The only thing it "proved" was that you believe everything Elias tells the media. He was never going to admit what they were doing. This is an organization that treats injury news for it's minor leaguers like Soviet era secrets! 

Feel free to think it proved whatever you want. Elias' actions have not baked up his words several times now, and Actions always speak louder than words, especially when GMs are talking to the media.

[interloper]

Just now, Tony-OH said:

The only thing it "proved" was that you believe everything Elias tells the media. He was never going to admit what they were doing. This is an organization that treats injury news for it's minor leaguers like Soviet era secrets! 

Feel free to think it proved whatever you want. Elias' actions have not baked up his words several times now, and Actions always speak louder than words, especially when GMs are talking to the media.

So if it wasn't about service time, which it wasn't, what was it about? 

[CaptainRedbeard]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

If he accepts the Norfolk assignment vs asking for his release, I imagine it was because Wong would not do that and Kemp would. If he asks for his release, then I'm out of reasoning.

I agree, although the other alternative is that Kemp’s contract was like the one that Teheran signed with the Mets where the salary was pro-rated? The Mets DFA’d him 6 days later so only paid that tiny amount of his $2m salary. And maybe Wong was unwilling to agree to that, but Kemp was?

There’s no way Kemp got $1m guaranteed from the Orioles for 10 PA with no strings attached to leave now. Elias had to know that calling up Holliday now was a strong possibility, if not outright predetermined. Either Kemp needs to stay in the org in AAA to keep that salary, or he only got a pro-rated amount for the MLB time. I’m curious what the answer there is. 

[Explosivo]

8 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

If he accepts the Norfolk assignment vs asking for his release, I imagine it was because Wong would not do that and Kemp would. If he asks for his release, then I'm out of reasoning.

I highly doubt he forgoes the minor league deal. Birds in the hand and all.

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

The only thing it "proved" was that you believe everything Elias tells the media. He was never going to admit what they were doing. This is an organization that treats injury news for it's minor leaguers like Soviet era secrets! 

Feel free to think it proved whatever you want. Elias' actions have not baked up his words several times now, and Actions always speak louder than words, especially when GMs are talking to the media.

You have to admit, if this was about service time, very illogical to call him up days before the cutoff for a team off to a respectable 6-4 start.   That doesn’t make sense.

[spleen1015]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

So if it wasn't about service time, which it wasn't, what was it about? 

I heard that Holliday was hanging out in the ST clubhouse and in walks in Mike Elias. Jackson was like "Hey! What's up Mike?!", gives him a little dab.

Mike was pissed he didn't call him Mr. Elias. So, sent him down.

[DirtyBird]

3 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

The only thing it "proved" was that you believe everything Elias tells the media. He was never going to admit what they were doing. This is an organization that treats injury news for it's minor leaguers like Soviet era secrets! 

Feel free to think it proved whatever you want. Elias' actions have not baked up his words several times now, and Actions always speak louder than words, especially when GMs are talking to the media.

I don’t believe everything he says to the media. But, obviously this wasn’t about getting an extra year. And things played out very closely to what he alluded to in his statement at the time.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, interloper said:

So if it wasn't about service time, which it wasn't, what was it about? 

Best theory I have heard is that Fanatics screwed up his uniform.

[Orioles West]

2 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

The only thing it "proved" was that you believe everything Elias tells the media. He was never going to admit what they were doing. This is an organization that treats injury news for it's minor leaguers like Soviet era secrets! 

Feel free to think it proved whatever you want. Elias' actions have not baked up his words several times now, and Actions always speak louder than words, especially when GMs are talking to the media.

Overall, I think Elias is more available and transparent than most. As a Maryland native living in Colorado, and the Rox GMs here are invisible, unavailable and usually hunted to ground by bloodhounds to get a quote about a roster move.

As to the injury stuff, the O’s operate like an NHL team, and I don’t know if that’s good or bad yet overall (definitely bad for media, gamblers, and fans who want answers).

All that said, I see the handling of JH, the signing of Kemp as a couple significant hiccups by an otherwise quality baseball dude who has still brought the O’s back from the dead.

[Tony-OH]

Just now, RZNJ said:

You have to admit, if this was about service time, very illogical to call him up days before the cutoff for a team off to a respectable 6-4 start.   That doesn’t make sense.

We don't know what changed. Did Rubenstein decide he would extend Holliday? Did he have second thoughts about rubbing Holiday wrong? Was he really influenced by Holiday's hot start? 

Buck Britton said he was playing with a "chip on his shoulder" so that tells me he was not real happy with being send down. 

Maybe all of that got back and Elias thinks he can no sign him long term so he might as well bring him up to go for the RoY and get the pick. 
 

 

[Tony-OH]

1 minute ago, Orioles West said:

Overall, I think Elias is more available and transparent than most. As a Maryland native living in Colorado, and the Rox GMs here are invisible, unavailable and usually hunted to ground by bloodhounds to get a quote about a roster move.

As to the injury stuff, the O’s operate like an NHL team, and I don’t know if that’s good or bad yet overall (definitely bad for media, gamblers, and fans who want answers).

All that said, I see the handling of JH, the signing of Kemp as a couple significant hiccups by an otherwise quality baseball dude who has still brought the O’s back from the dead.

Elias is very available and pretty much a straight shooter with the media, but let's face it, there are things he's just not going to say. I think sometimes people think if you criticize someone over something yu don't like them. That's the furthest thing from the truth.

He makes some headscratching moves sometimes, but in the end, the results are what matters and it's clear after 101 season the results are pretty darn good.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

12 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

The AL ROY race is on...Jackson versus Cowser.  

 

[interloper]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

We don't know what changed. Did Rubenstein decide he would extend Holliday? Did he have second thoughts about rubbing Holiday wrong? Was he really influenced by Holiday's hot start? 

Buck Britton said he was playing with a "chip on his shoulder" so that tells me he was not real happy with being send down. 

Maybe all of that got back and Elias thinks he can no sign him long term so he might as well bring him up to go for the RoY and get the pick. 
 

 

I think all of that is a stretch, personally. It's exceedingly unlikely that this has anything to do with an extension or Holliday being angry or the ownership. 

We do have a likelier reason which is that Elias wanted to avoid Holliday starting off his career against a bunch of LHP, and wanting to confirm that he looks fine at 2B for a few more games. 

It doesn't have to be some contrived super-mysterious reason.