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There is only one reason Wieters should be sent down

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It has also been thought that if the only reason we send him down s beacuse of service time Boras will make us pay for that move.

This is a new one to me. I'm used to hearing people claim that a certain set of words "has been said", without ever saying who actually said them. It's a pretty standard trick, as if "having been said" gives words some kind of credibility. But the notion that ideas "have been thought", and therefore are relevant, is a new trick that I've never, ever seen before. So, kudos.

Now, what does it mean when certain ideas "have been thought"? Does it matter who thinks them? Or do those ideas exist on their own, and just sort of float around in the idea-o-sphere, searching for somebody's head to sneak into, so they can get thought of by somebody? If the latter, I bet there's an underground network of prankster ideas who think it's fun to float around upside-down. I also bet they know where JTrea lives. By any chance, do you happen live in the same zipcode?

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He seems to be a smart fellow, I'm sure he understands that the game (and the CBA) is structured in favor of the star players a club to which I would assume he expects to be a part of. Anyone of that caliber would be nuts not love a CBA that will so dramatically lower the supply of quality FAs that when he hits that point in his career when he is a FA he'll clean up.
Again, this is what we are HOPING to see.

So, you fear that he's a dope? A dumb jock? A ballplayer who has a turd-muffin brain?

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It comes down to a a choose between 3 weeks of his rookie season or an entire season in his prime?

I know which one I am choosing.

This the correct answer. Wieters is a guy who went down to the last minute to sign his record breaking contract. Boras clients' don't sign extensions. Even if they do, if I need to send down a guy for 17 days in a season where we're not going to be contending in order to guarantee another full season in his prime when hopefully we are contending, it's a no-brainer.

I think the class statements are off the mark as well. This has nothing to do with being classy or not, it's business. Baseball is a business and it's makes perfect business sense as well as perfect sense competitively to gain an entire season in his prime for 17 days of his rookie year.

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So if we were possibly a contender this season, you would want to see Wieters up here on Opening Day?

I'm not sure if that would be enough to change my mind, but it would certainly make it more difficult to send him down.

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And that is if they really think he is not ready.

It makes no since to hold him back because of service time. If has is 3/4 as good as everyone thinks he is, we will try to sign him to a long tern lucrative contract before the year is over. His service time concern will never be a factor.

It makes sense to "hold him back" because we are not going to compete this year, and I'd like to have him for 1 more year of arbitration service with the likes of Tillman, Arrieta, and Matusz in the rotation...

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This the correct answer. Wieters is a guy who went down to the last minute to sign his record breaking contract. Boras clients' don't sign extensions. Even if they do, if I need to send down a guy for 17 days in a season where we're not going to be contending in order to guarantee another full season in his prime when hopefully we are contending, it's a no-brainer.

I think the class statements are off the mark as well. This has nothing to do with being classy or not, it's business. Baseball is a business and it's makes perfect business sense as well as perfect sense competitively to gain an entire season in his prime for 17 days of his rookie year.

Yea, its a no brainer.

In fact, unless AM has a contract extension already done with Wieters, bringing him up now is a fireable offense...It really is just that bad of a decision that you would really have to question if AM has forgotten how to run a team from now on.

Luckily, AM is way too smart and too financially savvy to even consider doing this...i hope.

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Why? Is he asking legitimate questions now? :laughlol:

All we have to go on is the fact that his agent is Boras. That's something to think about, but to write it off for that reason alone is irresponsible.

Just realistic.

The hope you would have is this....Wieters is a catcher....So, a lot of risk in terms of injury and things like that.

So, can you go to him, RIGHT NOW and say, here is a 7 year deal with an 8th year option(FA years be in the 17-20 million range)? That contract eliminates any risk of injury for him and he would still be able to become a FA and get a large deal, if he is indeed in line for one at that time.

If you don't go to him now to do that, it will likely never happen.

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And that is if they really think he is not ready.

It makes no since to hold him back because of service time. If has is 3/4 as good as everyone thinks he is, we will try to sign him to a long tern lucrative contract before the year is over. His service time concern will never be a factor.

Even though dozens of other people have said what I'm about to say, I think it can't be reiterated to strongly.

Sorry but this is just horribly backward thinking. Delaying his debut for 17 days in a year the O's won't compete in order to get an additional year of control in 6 - 7 years when we hope the O's will be in the thick of things is an exceptionally good reason to hold him back.

Not holding him back would be a horrible decision for O's fans, a horrible decision for the future of the club and a horrible business decision. The only people who'd benefit from starting him with the big club from the start of the season would be Wieters (for the money), Boras (for the money) and the Yankees or Red Sox (for the shot to sign him away from the O's a year earlier).

I don't understand how any reasonable O's fan wouldn't be able to grasp this.

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