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4 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

So instead of actually acquiring a good bp arm the better strategy is to take a struggling starter with decent stuff and try to make him "a key BP" arm in October? 

I mean... yeah? Lots of teams do it, and it's far more cost effective than trading a bunch of quality prospects for a half year of Tanner Scott.

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Last 9 starts 3.17 ERA

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We are seriously overrating our prospects. I'm fairly certain when Detroit called them and said we'll give you Skubal for Norby and Stowers, Elias just said nah, we're going with Rogers from Miami. Lo

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Just now, J.D. said:

I mean... yeah? Lots of teams do it, and it's far more cost effective than trading a bunch of quality prospects for a half year of Tanner Scott.

Why are we even worried about cutting costs with a payroll this low?

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11 minutes ago, fansince71 said:

Because the guy only throws 92 mph

So that’s a good point..his velo dropped this year from years past. Again, why?  Mechanical change?   
 

BTw, he gave up 8 runs in 2.1 innings against Oak in one of his starts. He has a 3.93 ERA in the rest of his starts.

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Elias had no choice. He has been watching suarez and Cade povich too. 

Of course he had a choice.

He could have gone big.

But he's risk adverse.  Not the worst thing to be, but a bit boring to watch.

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10 minutes ago, dystopia said:

We gave up more value. Bad trade any way you slice it…

Now I'm going to argue the other side of this trade.

You can easily "slice" this as a favorable trade for the O's. 2.5 years of cost controlled league average starting pitcher with upside for two players who are blocked at the ML level isn't an obvious bad trade. All the sites that evaluate trades based on future projected value show this as a significant underpay by the Orioles.

I don't personally like Taylor, but you can't objectively say this is 100% a bad trade, because its not.

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Eflin is a better pitcher and we got him for WAY less.

I'd imagine the asking price for Skubal and Crochet must be INSANE if this is what Norby and Stowers gets us.

You can argue that we paid more for Eflin but Eflin also comes with less control and way more money.

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Why are we even worried about cutting costs with a payroll this low?

I mean cost in a prospect sort of way, not a money sort of way. It will cost you a top-four prospect to get Scott. Are you cool with trading a Basallo or a Mayo for him? I'm not. 

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12 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

Let’s be real clear.  Norby is a 5’10” 2B with a 28% K-rate (in AAA) who doesn’t field very well.  
 

I like him a lot, but trade him for a serviceable SP (with upside) all day every day. 

If Rogers had upside, I'd agree. But he doesn't.

And height doesn't matter one iota. Not sure why that was brought up. 

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So that’s a good point..his velo dropped this year from years past. Again, why?  Mechanical change?   
 

BTw, he gave up 8 runs in 2.1 innings against Oak in one of his starts. He has a 3.93 ERA in the rest of his starts.

Ahh  the old if you take out the bad he's really good!

Kimbrel has a 100% save rate in games in which he doesn't blow the save.

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1 minute ago, MurphDogg said:

I think they are a bit better than that, either could potentially average 2 WAR a season through their club controlled years. But I doubt either ever really moves the needle or makes an All Star team on the merits (the one player per team rule notwithstanding).

Even playoff teams has some players on there who are just guys, like Mountcastle, Hays, or Urias. Guys that contribute.

I think they have the potential to do that. But one, that's potential, and there's a good chance at least one of them doesn't reach it, and two, paying arb 2-4 rates for two-win players isn't that great of a deal.

Could they be on the roster of a successful playoff team? Of course. Will that playoff team be thrilled about it? Probably not.

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