O's acquire LHP Trevor Rogers from Marlins

[Sports Guy]

 

[J.D.]

1 minute ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

If Ortiz can get Corbin Burnes, Norby and Stowers could at least get Scott or maybe even lead a package for Snell. 

And if they refuse, there's no good reason give away good assets for a dime a dozen 5 ERA pitcher.

Scott's not a starter, and I highly doubt that Norby and Stowers gets you Scott.

Ortiz was a more highly rated prospect than Norby. And DL Hall was in that deal as well. DL Hall was much more highly regarded than Stowers is.

I'll believe Snell moves when I see it. I don't think he does.

Rogers has pitched to an ERA closer to 3 over his last 9 starts. But please, by all means, keep over-rating Norby and Stowers and their ability to land pitchers that aren't actually on the market.

[interloper]

1 minute ago, xian4 said:

Tanner Scott to the Padres

Makes sense. The Padres are an organization that would be willing to horrendously overpay for Scott. Let's see what the return is...

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, MDK02 said:

I think Norby is going to be a really good player for a while. 

Me too … this is one they may end up regretting.

[Bemorewins]

1 minute ago, ledzepp8 said:

This is kind of a silly post. I think you can infer the answer.  Either he's not available or he's not available for something closer to Norby and Stowers. 

I’m supposed to make definitive statements without information that is known to me. Otherwise it’s “silly”.

I get it that some people/posters/fans are against criticizing Elias. I am not one of them.

I believe like all people, when he does well he should receive praise and when he doesn’t there are legit critics/criticisms that can be made. 

We could have done something big/bold to meaningfully add to our team’s roster. Instead we chose the route that was risk adverse intended to improve the team marginally.

[ledzepp8]

17 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

Yeah that is pretty much what I said above.  For not getting any playoff help?  Which Rogers is not....it was too much.  Just sign a Rogers type of player in the off season and it cost you nothing but $$$.  There are many out there of his caliber.

We still have to make the playoffs. It's been a tough go with our 4 and 5 starters being almost automatic losses over the last month or so, which in turn causes you to use the bullpen way more. It would be one thing if we had like a double-digit lead in the division. If that was the case, you probably don't see a move like this made.

[Roll Tide]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think this must be the key here.  The O’s have been scouting Rogers, and he’s been pitching well while they’ve been watching him.  My question is, are there underlying reasons why he’s pitched that well lately?  Has he changed what he’s doing?   Are there reasons to think the improvement is sustainable?   Or are the O’s just putting a lot of stock in a SSS run of good luck?  I have no idea, but I don’t think the O’s would have made this trade if Rogers was plodding along at his 4.53 ERA season average over the last two months.   They must like something he’s doing and think he can continue to pitch well down the stretch.  

I see this as a move that stabilizes the back of our rotation but isn’t really a postseason-booster.   It helps us get to the postseason.   

As to the price, it depends on how Rogers performs.  If he performs at his career average I think we overpaid.  We can afford to give up both Norby and Stowers, but in a world where Darrel Hernaiz gets you Cole Irvin, Norby and Stowers should get you more than a guy with Trevor Rogers’ track record.   

 

So I was out working and listening to the radio. It appears his decline has to do with loss of velocity. I wonder if his velocity is trending upwards. 
 

They gave his pitch selection stats over the season and not the last 9 starts. They didn’t mention if there was a velo uptick. I suspect that’s it or he’s learning to pitch with average velocity.

[xian4]

3 minutes ago, interloper said:

Makes sense. The Padres are an organization that would be willing to horrendously overpay for Scott. Let's see what the return is...

Snelling and Mazur headline the deal

[Sports Guy]

Padres pay a lot for Scott.  Top 50ish prospect and a top 5 guy in their system.

[HowAboutThat]

Padres get Scott

[Frobby]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

So I was out working and listening to the radio. It appears his decline has to do with loss of velocity. I wonder if his velocity is trending upwards. 
 

They gave his pitch selection stats over the season and not the last 9 starts. They didn’t mention if there was a velo uptick. I suspect that’s it or he’s learning to pitch with average velocity.

Hopefully we’ll get some insight from Elias tonight.  I’d say an in-game interview on MASN is virtually guaranteed tonight.  

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Tbone83 said:

Eflin is a better pitcher and we got him for WAY less.

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Every GM in baseball knew the Norby and Stowers were available for trade.   And that includes Tampa.  

Tampa who knows how to evaluate talent  picked Etzel, Baumeister and Horvath over Norby and Stowers.

Kind of tells something about Norby and Stowers trade value IMO.

[xian4]

Final Marlins haul is Snelling, Mazur, Pauley and Beshears for Scott - tidy deal 

[HowAboutThat]

12 minutes ago, J.D. said:

You mean the Royals grossly overpaid for Erceg, a guy who is not any better than Keegan Akin.

I have no idea what the Royals paid. I just saw the notification and added it to my comment.

[ledzepp8]

5 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

I’m supposed to make definitive statements without information that is known to me. Otherwise it’s “silly”.

I get it that some people/posters/fans are against criticizing Elias. I am not one of them.

I believe like all people, when he does well he should receive praise and when he doesn’t there are legit critics/criticisms that can be made. 

We could have done something big/bold to meaningfully add to our team’s roster. Instead we chose the route that was risk adverse intended to improve the team marginally.

Who's talking about definitive statements? I'm just telling you to look at the available information. You can see what teams are giving up for starting pitching in this trade market. You can see that Elias got this pitcher for this package. You can see that he didn't get a "better" pitcher. You can therefore infer that someone better either isn't available or the asking price was way too much. It's not a difficult concept. 

I can walk outside and see the street wet. Did I need to see the shower to infer that it probably rained?