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I’d love to have a healthy John Means back.  Is there such a thing as a healthy John Means, and if so, exactly when and for how long?

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People really underestimate the importance of roster spots.

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45 minutes ago, 24fps said:

Pass.  Lottery tickets; flyers; reclamation projects....  They all seem so Angelos era.

Most of Elias’ pickups have been exactly as you describe. It’s not a bad practice, and except for injury, Means has been excellent. If he’ll take a reasonable deal, there’s no downside to bringing him back

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Obviously the money has to be right (and probably incentive-heavy) but I say yes.

This season has shown that you need an army of starting pitchers. He's a fan favorite who can pitch like a #1-2 at his best. He's a lefty in the Walltimore-era. I'd love to see him back.

Also, if the O's win it all this year, I hope they give him a ring. 2.61 ERA in his four starts and we won three of those.

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9 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Most of Elias’ pickups have been exactly as you describe. It’s not a bad practice, and except for injury, Means has been excellent. If he’ll take a reasonable deal, there’s no downside to bringing him back

All of Elias' tenure with the O's has been Angelos era right up to one day prior to 2024 Opening Day.  I agree with Sports Guy that more value now needs to be placed on roster spots.   The ML team is competitive and the new ownership is predicted (reasonably IMO) to be significantly less cheap, so the approach should reflect that.

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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Didn’t they have a better idea than us the first time around?

I would assume so and I don't recall too many on here ready to give up on John the first time around. Anyway, as has been said on here often - pitching is a risk and I assume they have a better handle on the risk going forward so we all can just pontificate.

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1 hour ago, 24fps said:

All of Elias' tenure with the O's has been Angelos era right up to one day prior to 2024 Opening Day.  I agree with Sports Guy that more value now needs to be placed on roster spots.   The ML team is competitive and the new ownership is predicted (reasonably IMO) to be significantly less cheap, so the approach should reflect that.

Of course, but dumpster diving has a place in every team. The problem with Elias was that he was almost exclusively dumpster diving.
It remains to be seen whether this was his choice or it was forced on him by Angelos, but he has actually been fairly successful with it, And he should continue doing it, but only as a small part of his activity.

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I'd sign him to a very low two year deal. He won't pitch in 2025 and he may never pitch again. It would have to been incentive based on being able to pitch. He has proven to be an AA pitcher when healthy. It is taking a flyer on low risk/high reward basis. I wouldn't sign him until after the rule 5 though and maybe even a MiLB deal for 2025. 

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3 hours ago, TommyPickles said:

Obviously the money has to be right (and probably incentive-heavy) but I say yes.

This season has shown that you need an army of starting pitchers. He's a fan favorite who can pitch like a #1-2 at his best. He's a lefty in the Walltimore-era. I'd love to see him back.

Also, if the O's win it all this year, I hope they give him a ring. 2.61 ERA in his four starts and we won three of those.

It can't be an emotional decision. If everything else makes sense, including where he's at in his recovery and what the contract looks like...then sure, you can bring a guy like that back. But that's where it stays.

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4 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

If they sign Means to mlb deal, he can go right on 60 day dl?  I bet it will be for vet minimum w incentives and decent option 5 mill or so for 2026.  I don-t see O's trying to milb Means.  

I am sure some team will offer a major league deal.  

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4 hours ago, Frobby said:

I am sure some team will offer a major league deal.  

I agree …. For me I’d pass. Means inability to stay healthy makes it hard to spend resources and have any real expectations with him. I like Means and appreciate his contributions during the dark years. But he’s just a liability now.

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5 hours ago, Frobby said:

I am sure some team will offer a major league deal.  

Is he expected to pitch next year? I couldn’t imagine a team signing him for 2 years with the hope he could be decent in 2026 after his second TJ surgery. 

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33 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Is he expected to pitch next year? I couldn’t imagine a team signing him for 2 years with the hope he could be decent in 2026 after his second TJ surgery. 

I absolutely expect that any team that signs him will have him under control for 2026.   I’m guessing whatever contract he signs will have a low base salary, at least one team option, and some incentives based on IP.

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