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bgfield Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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He slipped because teams knew that he was leaning toward accepting an offer to UNC and any team would have to compensate him dearly to make it worth his while to change plans.

And Wieters only slipped to us due to signability concerns, so we should have known to expect to pay him big bucks when we drafted him. And he can just as easily go back to college, too.

Not as much leverage, perhaps, but we still knew what we were getting into when we drafted him.

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All those guys in the top 10 don't have any guarantees they'll be picked there next year. That's a lot of jack to say no to.

Come on. They all know someone will take a flyer on them next year, probably in the first round unless they're hs kids going to college.

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Really I cant see giving the kid ten million. If he wants to risk injury next year let him. Maybe next year Babe Ruth will be in the draft. Who knows. They are being unreasonable.

You got to know when to hold'em and when to fold'em. When to walk away and when to run.

and even if babe ruth was in the draft next year, what makes you think the o's would offer what they needed to to get him signed?

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Maybe Babe won't be represented by Boras...:confused:

if we can't negotiate with boras, we are certainly limiting ourselves in the payers we can sign and limiting our ability to get better. that would be cutting off our beaks to spite our face.

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Come on. They all know someone will take a flyer on them next year, probably in the first round unless they're hs kids going to college.

The question is - Will he be drafted in the top 5 again? Say he falls to 8. Will his money demands be the exact same considering he just lost a year of exceptional income/earning power?

It's a lot easier to fall out of the top 5 than move up from 5. Right?

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Come on. They all know someone will take a flyer on them next year, probably in the first round.

Of course someone will most likely take a flyer on them.

But, most of these guys will fall.

Other guys will emerge as better prospects.

All it takes is an injury or a down year.

Would you roll the dice and turn down $6 mill to take that chance ?

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Actually, this is the most encouraging article of the entire bunch, IMO! I am very comfortable where we are for now.

At least we are not stuck in some inappropriate $4.5M offer range - as some had speculated was respectable yesterday. And to think others were ready to give up $15M! Getting to near $6M with clear signs of some flexibility is a good thing - and should put to rest talk of AM being a total, PA lap dog, Thrift-wannabe.

Boras is out of his mind sitting above $10M and Wieters and family are going to look extremely greedy at that price point. I almost want him to go back into the draft and get taken by KC and offered $1.5M - take it or leave it.

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If MLB gets pissed about the signing bonuses, why don't they just do something about it?

Because the owners are OPEC-like goofballs, that's why. They can't agree on anything, except that everything is the players' fault...

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Because the owners are OPEC-like goofballs, that's why. They can't agree on anything, except that everything is the players' fault...

It's the players union that prevents the implementation of a real slotting system. The stupid system in place now is the best they could come up with.

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