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JTrea81 Hangout Grand Counsel

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Roberts has been saved by Angelos before, when Duquette and Flanagan wanted to trade him so I wouldn't doubt he's on the no-trade list that Angelos has most likely given MacPhail.

Roberts is the only Oriole that seems connected to the community as well.

As far as Tejada and Hernandez are concerned, the Angels may be willing to fork over prospects now that Stoneman is gone. The question is what can they deal.

Wood and Adenhart would have to be in any package.

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If we accept four for two, don't you think Hill has to be in the deal?

No shot at Hill. Probably couldn't get him for Tejada straight up.

I think Pie, Cedeno, and Wuertz/Marmol is a pretty fair deal, although we might need another guy back assuming we eat some cash. Marshall and Murton are options.

Hill isn't coming here.

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The Angels? The Cubs?

Aside from Wood (maybe Adenhart) and Pie what do those clubs have, talent-wise, that we should be interested in?

No, you go to the Diamondbacks and Dodgers, clubs awash in minor league talent.......

Are clubs clinging that fiercly to prospects that we have to scrape the bottom of the barrel?

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The angels and cubs have plenty of prospects that we could use.

Maybe these teams would be willing to offer a better return than the dbacks or dodgers.

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Dave, you missed the last part of that conversation...

"... If we don't trade him to Baltimore for Ramon Hernandez"

;)

If the conversations going on between MacPhail and Hendry at all resemble the ideas flying around on the OH, then frankly Tejada being dealt anyplace but Chicago (or him getting featured prominently by Mr. Mitchell) can't happen soon enough for my taste.

I don't much like sending Pie for Tejada.

I really don't like sending Pie and other(s) for Tejada.

And now to make matters even worse, comes this Hernandez stuff.

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Not sure i like the sound of this when i think about it.

Why would the Angels want Ramon? They have Mathis and Napoli...So, if they take back Ramon, chanes are we will get less for Miggy.

Not sure this is a smart thing to do.

It doesn't make sense for the Cubs either but maybe they don't feel Soto is ready to take over full time duties or they think his numbers were way too inflated at AAA this year.

I don't necessarily agree with you. New guy comes in. Boss wants change. Hernandez is an upgrade over Napoli/Mathis. Mathis was good at the end of the year, but has struggled for much of the last 3 years. Napoli has big time injury concerns and his average is low despite good OBP & power numbers.

I would love a Tejada/Hernandez for Wood/Willits/Mathis/reliever type deal.

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If the conversations going on between MacPhail and Hendry at all resemble the ideas flying around on the OH, then frankly Tejada being dealt anyplace but Chicago (or him getting featured prominently by Mr. Mitchell) can't happen soon enough for my taste.

I don't much like sending Pie for Tejada.

I really don't like sending Pie and other(s) for Tejada.

And now to make matters even worse, comes this Hernandez stuff.

Face it, Dave, the Cubs are built to WIN NOW. One or two excellent additions and they are the odds-on NL favorites. That is why a deal like this would make sense for them.

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If the conversations going on between MacPhail and Hendry at all resemble the ideas flying around on the OH, then frankly Tejada being dealt anyplace but Chicago (or him getting featured prominently by Mr. Mitchell) can't happen soon enough for my taste.

I don't much like sending Pie for Tejada.

I really don't like sending Pie and other(s) for Tejada.

And now to make matters even worse, comes this Hernandez stuff.

Don't worry Dave. How often do the Orioles actually pull of successful deals that are rumored to take place? I have a feeling at the last minute they will demand for the cubs to "add" Rich Hill and Soriano...and act surprised when it doesn't get done.;)

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Face it, Dave, the Cubs are built to WIN NOW. One or two excellent additions and they are the odds-on NL favorites. That is why a deal like this would make sense for them.

Hernandez an "excellent addition"? C'mon Frobby. You know better than that. He's probably a downgrade from what Soto would give the Cubs in '08, let alone beyond.

And Pie for Tejada is sort of one step forward, one step back.

An excellent addition would be Bobby Abreu, or Fukudome, or even Posada or Rivera, at no cost to the existing talent pool.

Or, dare I say, ARod.

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Hernandez an "excellent addition"? C'mon Frobby. You know better than that. He's probably a downgrade from what Soto would give the Cubs in '08, let alone beyond.

And Pie for Tejada is sort of one step forward, one step back.

An excellent addition would be Bobby Abreu, or Fukudome, or even Posada or Rivera, at no cost to the existing talent pool.

That's what you think Dave, and I actually agree 100%.

However, do Jim Hendry and Lou Piniella? I think Tejada and Hernandez both make sense in terms of what those guys (especially Lou) like.

The question is, what do we get in return?

Dave, not personally, but taking into account what Lou and Hendry might want, what's your thoughts on this deal:

Tejada, Hernandez and cash for Pie, Cedeno, and Marmol.

That looks like a pretty even trade in my eyes. I'd honestly want another guy coming back our way, but if the Cubs final offer was that, I may pull the trigger.

Your thoughts?

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Hernandez an "excellent addition"? C'mon Frobby. You know better than that. He's probably a downgrade from what Soto would give the Cubs in '08, let alone beyond.

And Pie for Tejada is sort of one step forward, one step back.

An excellent addition would be Bobby Abreu, or Fukudome, or even Posada or Rivera, at no cost to the existing talent pool.

Or, dare I say, ARod.

You forget how Hernandez played in 2006 I guess, the guy is 1 year removed from an All-Star like season. He also had a great Sept. Oblique injuires take time to get over and Hernandez was also beat up behind the plate. I'd say he has at least 2 more years in him of providing good offense and decent defense from the catcher spot.

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Hernandez an "excellent addition"? C'mon Frobby. You know better than that. He's probably a downgrade from what Soto would give the Cubs in '08, let alone beyond.

And Pie for Tejada is sort of one step forward, one step back.

An excellent addition would be Bobby Abreu, or Fukudome, or even Posada or Rivera, at no cost to the existing talent pool.

I have a higher opinion of Hernandez than you do. And I don't know anything about Soto.

Question about Iowa -- is that an extreme hitters' park? It seems you have a ridiculous number of players with gaudy stats there. I count 8 players with 100+ AB and an OPS of .899 or higher.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/external/brandedstats/t998.html?cid=451&lid=112&t=t_ibp&sid=milb

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