Update on Jones to the Braves for Jurrjens, Prado, Plus

[CrimsonTribe]

I don't either. Thus why there is a stand still at the moment. One of the GM's are going to have to budge from their stance.

I really feel that a deal will not be made between the two teams. We'll see as Spring Training gets closer if one of the teams start to panic a bit. It'll at least be interesting to keep an eye on and it's nice having something to talk about. This has been the quietest offseason maybe ever for the Braves. We're one of like 3 teams that have not signed a single Free Agent this year.

I agree. The difference between what the teams are looking for/looking to give up makes them incompatible. The Orioles need a mix of high-end and mid-level prospects in return for Jones. The Braves want to trade major leaguers for major leaguers. This really does nothing for the Orioles except trade their best trade chip for two lesser trade chips. Unless the Braves are willing to pony up a top prospect or two in return for Jones, and I don't think they are, this won't and shouldn't happen.

P.S. I have enjoyed reading your posts and appreciate your perspective. I attend a few Braves games a year and follow them as my second team so I hope that something can be worked out that is to the benefit of both teams.

[El Gordo]

Not many people are going to like this, and I won't say whether I agree with this or not, but from everything I have read I feel the Braves are offering something along the lines of:

Jurrjens

Medlen - very underrated pitcher and has had success, but doesn't have the same stuff as some of the other guys, and is coming off TJ Surgery

Salcedo - Potential all star but has yet to hit his stride. He would be coming up around the same time as Machado.

Carlos Perez/Spruill/Hoover - With the exception of Hoover who is almost major league ready, these would all be guys that hang around the Braves' top 10 prospects but are young and will take time to develop.

Thanks, but I was asking for your opinion.

[Swampdonks]

I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable answers this. Here's my (possibly incorrect) understanding of their prospects and how they rank.

1. Teheran - untouchable SP. TOR potential in the near term.

2. Beachy - already established SP. Misses bats. Probably too important and cheap to trade now.

3. Minor - Next in line after Beachy, mostly because he's a little behind him. Has 2/3 potential and good probability.

4. Delgado - Not exactly sure on upside, but behind Minor in his development, so not being relied upon for this year's rotation.

5. Vizcaino - great arm that's also a little behind in development. Most likely to end up in the pen right now.

Others should feel free to correct any of this, minus #1.

I'm impressed. Pretty much spot on. Viz does big time potential, but as you said he's behind in development. He has two GREAT pitches in his fastball and curve, but struggles with his changeup. He will be in the Major League bullpen until he can figure that pitch out. But as for now, he's going to be a much needed arm in the pen.

A lot of people argue between Minor and Delgado. Most see them both as a #3, with #2 potential at most. Minor is just older and ahead in development.

[Roll Tide]

Not many people are going to like this, and I won't say whether I agree with this or not, but from everything I have read I feel the Braves are offering something along the lines of:

Jurrjens

Medlen - very underrated pitcher and has had success, but doesn't have the same stuff as some of the other guys, and is coming off TJ Surgery

Salcedo - Potential all star but has yet to hit his stride. He would be coming up around the same time as Machado.

Carlos Perez/Spruill/Hoover - With the exception of Hoover who is almost major league ready, these would all be guys that hang around the Braves' top 10 prospects but are young and will take time to develop.

Hoover looks like a decent prospect thats more than likely destined for the pen. I dont mind him as the 3rd or 4th player. I've heard Salcedo mentioned here over & over by some of the guys who seem tobe good at naming prospects. I doubt the Orioles would want two injury risk players in Jurrjens & Medlen.

If I'm the Orioles i'd be asking for a better #2 player(pitcher)..but overall the deal doesnt seem to be a bad one. I'd say Delgado might get this done. Yes before you reply I know you dont want to give up Delgado.

[Swampdonks]

Honestly, it would probably be about the same. If I felt as I could sign Jones to an extension, it might change a little bit.

Don't want to upset anyone, but I just don't see Jones as that guy I would want to give up top prospects for at the moment. I'm also a BIG believer in OBP, though. If he took more walks, I'd be giving up Jurrjens, Minor, Saledo, and one of the younger pitchers, maybe two of them.

[Swampdonks]

Hoover looks like a decent prospect thats more than likely destined for the pen.

He's actually pretty dang good. The Braves kind of forced him into that bullpen row earlier in the year last year because they didn't have much depth there and was a potential guy to pitch with the Braves late in the year but never quite made it. I really think he could do either, and do either well.

As for Jurrjens and Medlen, I wouldn't take on two guys coming off injuries either. Medlen just makes the most sense to me as a piece of the puzzle since the other guys seem to not be included in our offer.

[Roll Tide]

He's actually pretty dang good. The Braves kind of forced him into that bullpen row earlier in the year last year because they didn't have much depth there and was a potential guy to pitch with the Braves late in the year but never quite made it. I really think he could do either, and do either well.

As for Jurrjens and Medlen, I wouldn't take on two guys coming off injuries either. Medlen just makes the most sense to me as a piece of the puzzle since the other guys seem to not be included in our offer.

As a side note ...What about a AAA player like Mauro Gomez? It doesnt seemlike the Orioles are think about positon players that much. But the guy seems to be blocked at 1B at the majors. and seems to done all he needs to do at AAA.

[Swampdonks]

Heck, you guys could have had him in the Rule 5 draft for nothing. Seems to be a career AAAA guy, although I don't know much about him because he's never talked about so I can not give a reason why.

[DrungoHazewood]

I'm also a BIG believer in OBP, though. If he took more walks, I'd be giving up Jurrjens, Minor, Saledo, and one of the younger pitchers, maybe two of them.

If Adam Jones walked 75 times a year he'd have a .375 OBP, a mid-800s OPS, and he'd be a monster. The O's would be holding out for a king's ransom, if they even wanted to deal him.

[Swampdonks]

If Adam Jones walked 75 times a year he'd have a .375 OBP, a mid-800s OPS, and he'd be a monster. The O's would be holding out for a king's ransom, if they even wanted to deal him.

I don't disagree with any of this.

[flashjordnk]

If Adam Jones walked 75 times a year he'd have a .375 OBP, a mid-800s OPS, and he'd be a monster. The O's would be holding out for a king's ransom, if they even wanted to deal him.

So is it common for guys with this many PA's to learn to walk 75 times a year? I guess even some of the packages DD is asking for don't indicate the O's think he'd even hit that ceiling.

[mlrhode]

He's actually pretty dang good. The Braves kind of forced him into that bullpen row earlier in the year last year because they didn't have much depth there and was a potential guy to pitch with the Braves late in the year but never quite made it. I really think he could do either, and do either well.

As for Jurrjens and Medlen, I wouldn't take on two guys coming off injuries either. Medlen just makes the most sense to me as a piece of the puzzle since the other guys seem to not be included in our offer.

What about Gilmartin in place of Medlen?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Yes, that team would be a legit contender on paper as that is close to a 90 win team.

75-76 taking into account Nick's injury.

Sorry, Trea, but I have to call you out here. The first quote is from earlier in this thread. The second is from Frobby's thread about how many wins the Orioles will have this year.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, if the Orioles signed Prince Fielder and Edwin Jackson, traded for Gavin Floyd and Nick was healthy (btw, he might be back by OD) we'd go from a 76 win team to a 90 win team?

[Swampdonks]

What about Gilmartin in place of Medlen?

If I'm the GM and offered the package I stated, and the Orioles came back with Gilmartin instead, it would at least make me think. He is a top 5 prospect in the Braves organization (not including Minor). In the end, I would probably do it if I felt I could sign Jones to an extension. If I thought he would only be a Brave for 2 years, I probably wouldn't.

[JTrea81]

Sorry, Trea, but I have to call you out here. The first quote is from earlier in this thread. The second is from Frobby's thread about how many wins the Orioles will have this year.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, if the Orioles signed Prince Fielder and Edwin Jackson, traded for Gavin Floyd and Nick was healthy (btw, he might be back by OD) we'd go from a 76 win team to a 90 win team?

Fielder, Jackson and Floyd net you 11 wins.