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I saw Bundy plenty of times in Salisbury. Even riding his bicycle around town a few times. He is going to be very very good. He has a very good curveball that he sets up with his very good fastball. He was hurt when he came up. He was not the same pitcher that Doc Shorebird and I saw.

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Hope this doesn't happen -- we could get a similar pitcher in Garza without giving up our catcher. People seem to forget Samardzija isn't much younger than him.

Maybe I should start a thread for this, but Wieters is one of the last guys I think we should trade. He had a down year last year for no real reason, unless the FO knows something we don't. Still in the middle of his peak years, no big injuries -- there's no reason to think 2013 was the start of a trend rather than an outlier, and that he won't bounce back. Last year people were saying he's the one guy we couldn't handle losing. If he'd had a typical 4-WAR year last year I'd be all for trading him, but why sell low?

Give up Johnson, give up Hardy, don't give up a valuable piece after a down year.

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scOtt and I saw Bundy in his first start in Frederick. justD and I saw him face the Red Sox in Fort Myers. Before he was hurt. He was darned good.

Amen. I saw him also in Frederick. Bundy is a significant talent. Trading him now would be plain goofy. Your never going to get value on a guy rehabbing from a TJ surgery. To many variables for both sides. I am completely against trading Gausman but at least with Gausman you would have a far better shot of getting value. I would however give Matt and any pitcher not named Bundy, Gausman or Chen for Samardzija

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Hope this doesn't happen -- we could get a similar pitcher in Garza without giving up our catcher. People seem to forget Samardzija isn't much younger than him.

Maybe I should start a thread for this, but Wieters is one of the last guys I think we should trade. He had a down year last year for no real reason, unless the FO knows something we don't. Still in the middle of his peak years, no big injuries -- there's no reason to think 2013 was the start of a trend rather than an outlier, and that he won't bounce back. Last year people were saying he's the one guy we couldn't handle losing. If he'd had a typical 4-WAR year last year I'd be all for trading him, but why sell low?

Give up Johnson, give up Hardy, don't give up a valuable piece after a down year.

Yeah, there's no reason to think last year was the start of a trend when he had a declining OPS and OPS+ for the third straight year. No trend at all.

Then again, he couldn't possibly get worse than last year.

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Yeah, there's no reason to think last year was the start of a trend when he had a declining OPS and OPS+ for the third straight year. No trend at all.

Then again, he couldn't possibly get worse than last year.

His ISO has been within .006 points all three years. His BB% and K% both went way up last year and then way down this year. The biggest thing that dropped in 2013 was his BABIP. Meanwhile his line drive % was almost exactly the same as in 2011.

His OPS barely dropped from 2011-2012. Technically, I guess that's a trend. Looking at it for more than 10 seconds -- not a trend. No trends anywhere else either. It's a reach.

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How about 95?

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120923&content_id=38911926&vkey=news_bal&c_id=bal

Maybe he hit 96 in his second appearance.

Here we go, pitch FX for both appearances.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=12917&position=P

91.5-95.3 MPH on the fastball which makes Micky's recollection a lot more accurate then yours.

I was wrong. Guess my memory has been shot from too much partying. I looked up Bundy on mlb.com and re-watched his debut and he does look good.

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His ISO has been within .006 points all three years. His BB% and K% both went way up last year and then way down this year. The biggest thing that dropped in 2013 was his BABIP. Meanwhile his line drive % was almost exactly the same as in 2011.

His OPS barely dropped from 2011-2012. Technically, I guess that's a trend. Looking at it for more than 10 seconds -- not a trend. No trends anywhere else either. It's a reach.

His FB% increased significantly this past year. So did his IFFB% (popups). At the same time his HR/FB rate dropped from the last two years. Seems like he was trying to put more balls in the air which is a good strategy imo. I always though the could hit 30 plus HR's. But, in addition to not finding the gaps, he was either not generating enough power and/or backspin to put balls out of the park.

I also thing there are some other things going on there with the shifts and his ability/inability to hit from the left side.

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His FB% increased significantly this past year. So did his IFFB% (popups). At the same time his HR/FB rate dropped from the last two years. Seems like he was trying to put more balls in the air which is a good strategy imo. I always though the could hit 30 plus HR's. But, in addition to not finding the gaps, he was either not generating enough power and/or backspin to put balls out of the park.

I also thing there are some other things going on there with the shifts and his ability/inability to hit from the left side.

I agree, there were clearly some changes in strategy that didn't work out. The HR/FB is disconcerting. But do you really think these things aren't fixable, or that he and Buck are incapable of finding a new strategy? If not reverting to the old one?

Meanwhile, now we're giving all our love to Salty, a guy who made zero significant changes last year outside of a >.100 increase in BABIP. He hit more line drives than he used to, along with much fewer homers and nearly the same number of Ks. His HR/FB also took a huge drop and his IFFB took a big jump from 2012.

I trust Wieters to return to 2011-2012 much, much more than I trust Salty to not return to his 2011-2012 levels.

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Doesn't Jef Samardzija have like a 4.30 career ERA? No thanks - not sure why we trade a very good defensive catcher with power for an average SP...we have average starting pitchers in spades.
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Why give up Bundy or Gausman for 2 years of Samardzija, when we can just sign Felman, Arroyo, or maybe even Burnett (if he decides not to retire)?

What's so special about a guy with a 4.3 ERA in the NL Central?

That's Bud Norris territory folks.

Comparing Jeff Samardzija to Bud Norris or Feldman is like comparing Justin Upton to Brett Gardner... in other words, they aren't comparable.

Jeff Samardzija is a hard throwing 200+IP workhorse with a K/9 north of 9.00. Those don't come around very often. The only knock on him is consistency. One month he'll look like Randy Johnson, the next he'll look like Ubaldo Jimenez. That consistency isn't as worrysome when you remember he's only been a starter for 2 seasons now having been a reliever before that and a wide receiver in college before that. He's spent the last 5 years learning how to pitch and before last year, his progression was a steep rise. In the second half of 2013, his BABIP and BB% climbed a little and he saw his season end in slump.

If the Orioles got Samardzija, he would in no possible outcome equate to Norris (who has less stuff but is more consistent). Samardjiza would either be the lights out ace of the team at best... or a struggling power arm that at least went 7.0 innings even if he gave up 4 runs at worst.

Given Wieters contract status, this would be a slam dunk win for the Orioles. To those I quoted above (and to anyone else who simply looks at the 4.34 ERA last year), please understand that you are displaying complete ignorance in identifying the value of Samardjiza. He's not a perfect lock to be great, but he's not some mediocre 3-4 rotation man.

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Why in the world would anyone trade Bundy for Samardzija? Even if you thought JS is better than what his numbers show, and he does have upside, we most likely run into the same problem with him as we would with Wieters. I actually think there's a better chance of extending Wieters at this point.

I'm not against trading Bundy for the right guy but this isn't it. If they wanted Wieters because they really needed a catcher and it was almost straight up then fine. I don't see that happening though. Wieters and our garbage isn't happening.

Nothing to see here.

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I was wrong. Guess my memory has been shot from too much partying. I looked up Bundy on mlb.com and re-watched his debut and he does look good.

Good of you to admit it. Some posters would argue that their recollections were more accurate then the pitch FX data.

You were probably recollecting how he pitched in spring training in 2013.

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Good of you to admit it. Some posters would argue that their recollections were more accurate then the pitch FX data.

You were probably recollecting how he pitched in spring training in 2013.

I didn't trust the pitch data at all so I looked up the film of the debut. Can't argue with that. He looked awesome.

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