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Read Dipper's reply above you. Seriously this kind of thought is ludicrous. The Orioles had ample time to resign Mussina, but they got cheap. They let him hit free agency and lost him to the Yankees. It is crazy to expect any player to walk away from 50% more just to stay with the team that was in no hurry to pay them their due.

If you made 60K a year doing your job and your company stopped giving you raises. Would you consider a 90K offer from the competitor doing what you already do? Unless the answer is no...

Dipper's situation as he described was not that much different a situation than a certain Baltimore Quarterback last year. Except said Baltimore Quarterback went out and won a Super Bowl, which included a nearly unprecedented postseason performance and the game's MVP award.

Mussina won 11 games in 200 and posted an ERA that--while respectable--was higher than it had been for the past three years.

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Yeah, but Cal didn't leave. Cal had a sense of loyalty to the fans who cheered for him that Mussina never had. It just goes to show that Cal was twice the man Mike was.

Mussina had me (as a teenager at the time, mind you) and most every other Orioles fan hating poor Cito Gaston. For a situation that wasn't really even Cito's fault. The fans invested their love in Mike and he spit in their face. Call me irrational all you want, and maybe you'd be right about it, but grasping for the quick ring--especially from the MFYs--I lost every single bit of respect I had for the man.

I'll be honest, if Mike had chosen any one of the 28 other teams in the equation, I would still have respect for the man and wished him well. The Yankees was a deal breaker.

And frankly, in retrospect, the Yankees overpaid for Mussina. They paid for him to be an ace quality starter. He gave them solid numbers, but he was no ace. So really the joke was on them.

There are many Orioles fans who share this line of thinking, my wife and Tony being two of them. I understand why you think this way, but again, I don't blame Moose for leaving after the way things went down.

But yes, Moose would have been a Legend had he stayed here, rather than just another guy who played for the Yanks. That's something that he has to live with, whether it was his fault or Peter's.

That said, I hope you all feel the same way about Wieters when he leaves. By most accounts, the Orioles have reached out to try to sign him, but he and Boras have no intentions of doing so. I hope that you all think the same terrible thoughts about Wieters when he leaves.

Its also 20/20 thinking in my book as well. BRob stayed with the Orioles, but due to injuries, his 4 year deal was a waste and fans turned on him. However, Roberts easily could have left the Orioles and had several more all star seasons, and then the fans STILL would have hated him because he left. We screamed "Pay the Man" for Melvin Mora, then turned on him when his stats started to trend downward. Its a no win situation a lot of times for these players. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Dipper's situation as he described was not that much different a situation than a certain Baltimore Quarterback last year. Except said Baltimore Quarterback went out and won a Super Bowl, which included a nearly unprecedented postseason performance and the game's MVP award.

Mussina won 11 games in 200 and posted an ERA that--while respectable--was higher than it had been for the past three years.

So then, you're saying he wasn't worth raising his contract? That's fine. Then why are you mad he left if he wasn't gonna be a true "ace" anyway?

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I feel like DD needs to get approval for every player signing no matter how small. Angelos probably stalls so long that everyone is gone by the time the Orioles make an offer. I was shocked when the Orioles were able to make all those trades during the trading deadline last year. It seem liked things had changed but we are back to Angelos old ways. We only can sign guys no one else wants on their team.

There is no use getting upset about it. I knew this is what would happen this year based on what happened last year. You have to accept the team is going to be cheap and either root for the Orioles despite this or stop following the team.

They say hitting a baseball is the hardest thing in sports. I think that is lie. The hardest thing in sports is to get Angelos to open up his wallet.

It used to be that way. I'm sure it still is.

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So then, you're saying he wasn't worth raising his contract? That's fine. Then why are you mad he left if he wasn't gonna be a true "ace" anyway?

He got greedy and overvalued himself. And the Yankees had the money to bite and he was more than happy to take it.

Which is fine for him, but it's all on him. I'll blame Peter Angelos for many a mistake, but Mussina wasn't one of them.

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He got greedy and overvalued himself. And the Yankees had the money to bite and he was more than happy to take it.

Which is fine for him, but it's all on him. I'll blame Peter Angelos for many a mistake, but Mussina wasn't one of them.

You're not over valuing yourself if somebody is willing to pay it. The market sets your value.

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I completely disagree with this post. That guy is a joke. At least our guy is good at something.

Yes, Angelos is a big-time lawyer, but Snyder was obviously good at business or else he wouldn't be a self-made billionaire. As owners, both don't meddle far too much, despite Angelos' protestations to the same.

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Dipper's situation as he described was not that much different a situation than a certain Baltimore Quarterback last year. Except said Baltimore Quarterback went out and won a Super Bowl, which included a nearly unprecedented postseason performance and the game's MVP award.

Mussina won 11 games in 200 and posted an ERA that--while respectable--was higher than it had been for the past three years.

The difference is the Ravens were willing to pay market value for a franchise QB while the Orioles weren't willing to pony up for their #1 pitcher. Flacco also wasn't promised anything by signing a one year deal, he was franchised and had the choice of either playing out that year or holding out.

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You're not over valuing yourself if somebody is willing to pay it. The market sets your value.

He valued himself up to the point where he knew the only team that would take him would be the MFYs.

They paid. And I don't think they got their money's worth.

A pity though. He could have gotten himself a statue on Eutaw Street. Instead, he more or less alienated the fanbase of one of his teams, and is pretty much lost in the shuffle of his other team. No one's erecting a plaque to him in Monument Park.

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He valued himself up to the point where he knew the only team that would take him would be the MFYs.

They paid. And I don't think they got their money's worth.

A pity though. He could have gotten himself a statue on Eutaw Street. Instead, he more or less alienated the fanbase of one of his teams, and is pretty much lost in the shuffle of his other team. No one's erecting a plaque to him in Monument Park.

That's just being a hater.

The guy is a HOF pitcher and pitched very well for them, go back and check the records, 5 out of 8 years, he was over 15 wins, and once with 20. He also pitched 178 innings or more every single year.

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He valued himself up to the point where he knew the only team that would take him would be the MFYs.

They paid. And I don't think they got their money's worth.

A pity though. He could have gotten himself a statue on Eutaw Street. Instead, he more or less alienated the fanbase of one of his teams, and is pretty much lost in the shuffle of his other team. No one's erecting a plaque to him in Monument Park.

I agree with this 100%, but I also am of the opinion that due to the economics of today's game, we may NEVER see a 7th statue out there on Eutaw Street. Even home grown guys like Manny and Wieters are gonna go where the money is now a days, so the days of staying on the same team for most or all of your career are almost over. The only guys on Eutaw Street who weren't lifers are Eddie and Frank. It's also kinda telling that in 60 years of Orioles baseball, we only have 6 Hall of Famers. That's kinda bad when you stop and think about it. It confirms my earlier post that this farm system has been crap long before Angelos owned the team.

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That's just being a hater.

The guy is a HOF pitcher and pitched very well for them, go back and check the records, 5 out of 8 years, he was over 15 wins, and once with 20. He also pitched 178 innings or more every single year.

Yes, he pitched very well for them. Yes, he'll probably end up in Cooperstown (although he doesn't deserve a first ballot induction).

He did nothing to bring them a ring. The one year he won 20 also happened to be the same year the Yankees didn't make the postseason.

They paid him ace money, and in return he pitched at a very good level. So, no, they didn't get their money's worth.

And through his own actions, he basically relegated himself to the dustbins of baseball history. Sure, he'll get in the HOF, but in 20 years people will be struggling to remember who he was. Which, to be fair, is the case with many HOF players actually (Does anyone remember Jim Bottomley? Arky Vaughan? Jesse Haines?). Except he's got no local legacy to fall back on, either. No fanbase counting him as one of their favorites.

It's his bed. He can sleep in it. But no need to beat our own team up for his decision.

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He valued himself up to the point where he knew the only team that would take him would be the MFYs.

They paid. And I don't think they got their money's worth.

What a joke... they definitely got their moneys worth. The guy won 123 games for the Yankees... I don't know how you can defend the Orioles, they were too cheap to resign their homegrown ace and they paid for it. I hated Mussina when I was a kid but it's pretty easy to see that the Orioles jerked him around. Why would he be loyal to a team that wasn't willing to pay him his due?

It's his bed. He can sleep in it. But no need to beat our own team up for his decision.

Yeah, no need to beat up Peter Angelos, who has proven to be a first class owner, for low balling one of the best pitchers to ever wear an Orioles uniform.

I know this argument has been raging for 15 years and I won't be changing anyone's mind but I never get the Mussina hate. He didn't owe the Orioles any loyalty, it was clear they weren't showing any loyalty to him. The Yankees were the team willing to pay for his services, he didn't sign with them just to spite the Orioles.

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Yes, he pitched very well for them. Yes, he'll probably end up in Cooperstown (although he doesn't deserve a first ballot induction).

He did nothing to bring them a ring. The one year he won 20 also happened to be the same year the Yankees didn't make the postseason.

They paid him ace money, and in return he pitched at a very good level. So, no, they didn't get their money's worth.

And through his own actions, he basically relegated himself to the dustbins of baseball history. Sure, he'll get in the HOF, but in 20 years people will be struggling to remember who he was. Which, to be fair, is the case with many HOF players actually (Does anyone remember Jim Bottomley? Arky Vaughan? Jesse Haines?). Except he's got no local legacy to fall back on, either. No fanbase counting him as one of their favorites.

It's his bed. He can sleep in it. But no need to beat our own team up for his decision.

Sorry, we will just have to agree to disagree. But, I will continue to fault Angelos for this.

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