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We are not disagreeing on that. Let's just say he would not make it through waivers. Hope he pitches well.

Absolutely he wouldn't make it through waivers. Even if they only get a Robert Andino or even less for him, DD would get something.

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Great O.P.

The only thing that I would like to add is the biggest myth of all.

4) The Orioles DID NOT have back-to-back winning seasons in 2012 and 2013.

2014 could be their 17th consecutive losing season.

Not sure what you mean?????
People are acting like the Orioles didn't have winning seasons in 2012 and 2013 and instead will have their 17th consecutive losing season in 2014.

It's as if people choose to ignore that they had winning records in 2012 and 2013 while they are crafting their snide remarks.

Thanks, Orioles 119. Have a greenie.

As usual, I was just being a dick.

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Three things that bug me when I hear or read them.

1) Britton as this years Tillman.

I have read this several times. Roch just referenced to again in his blog. They reference to Britton being in the same position as Tillman last spring. Supposedly, both Tillman last year and Britton this year had/have to pitch well to make the team in ST or be waived.

While this is partly true, it is misleading and drives me nuts when I hear it. Last spring Tillman was coming off a great 2nd half of 2012 where he went 9-3 with a 2.93 ERA in 15 starts. He was not in danger of being waived by the team. Britton has not pitched well in a couple of years and is in danger of being waived with a bad spring. I hate the comparison.

2) Duquette's comment about Buck found a closer before he can do it again.

This comment is made to lessen the need for a experienced closer. It ignores where the team was in 2012 and where it is now as now as a contender. It also ignores that Jim Johnson was a experienced and effective setup man that got both righties and lefties out.

Again something that drives me nuts. When Jim Johnson was given the closer role to replace Kevin Gregg to begin the 2012 season the team was coming off a 69 win 2011. They where 28 games behind the division winners in 2011. Chris Davis was not Chris Davis yet. Manny was not Manny. In fact the team was not a contender at the beginning for 2012. It was a hopeful. And under those conditions giving the closer job to a setup guy that was reliable and had less than a 3.00 ERA versus both lefties and righties was a good move.

However now, that O's have had two winning seasons. With the right moves should be contenders. The team positioning is way different from ST 2012.

No one on the O's team is positioned the way Johnson way to close. Hunter has not proven he can get lefties out. Matusz can't get righties out. DD says O'Day is not even being considered to be the closer. Most contending team go into the season with an experienced closer. Not having one is the move of a 2nd division team. DD's comment drives me nuts.

3) Seeing Miguel Gonzalez being push down or minimized as a starter.

This is not so much a myth as a perception. I see Gonzalez being slighted as a starter pretty often. Fact is Miguel is 20-12, 3.65 ERA and a 1.217 WHIP over that last season and a half as a starter. That is a quality starter. Better numbers than Chen.

Some want to talk about his need for rest or him not going deep enough in games. These are both things that Buck has dealt with effectively and the results have been that Gonzalez has been the 2nd best starter for the O's for the last season and a half. Drives me nuts to see him not get the respect due him.

Just some things I want to get off my chest. Thanks for reading.

By the way, this guy ought to be closer to 3 Birds than I am.

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At no time in 2012 was Tillman in danger of being waived. He had a option and it was used.

Britton has no option left this year. If he doesn't pitch well he may be waived or traded.

Who has ever suggested that Tillman was in danger of being waived? When someone says Britton could be this year's Tillman, all that means to me is that Britton is a guy who has struggled for a few years a the big league level but has a chance to turn the corner and become an above-average producer, as Tillman did. Of course, he could be this year's Arrieta or this year's Matusz, too.

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Who has ever suggested that Tillman was in danger of being waived? When someone says Britton could be this year's Tillman, all that means to me is that Britton is a guy who has struggled for a few years a the big league level but has a chance to turn the corner and become an above-average producer, as Tillman did. Of course, he could be this year's Arrieta or this year's Matusz, too.
The O's mast likely sign a vet SP. They sure want to. Britton is out of options. He has to pitch extremely well to make the pen. Other wise barring them not signing a vet SP and/or one of the other SP goes on the DL, he has little chance to crack the rotation no matter how well he pitches this spring. I think he's trade bait if he pitches well.
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The O's mast likely sign a vet SP. They sure want to. Britton is out of options. He has to pitch extremely well to make the pen. Other wise barring them not signing a vet SP and/or one of the other SP goes on the DL, he has little chance to crack the rotation no matter how well he pitches this spring. I think he's trade bait if he pitches well.

I think he's trade bait either way. How well he does just determines how good we get back.

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On the other hand, if he flips the switch like Tilly did, and becomes what he can be, and Gausman becomes a TOR.

Allot of "ifs", but it's sure better than wishing this team be 73 wins.

That's not happening in ST. They just don't give that much emphasis to it. There are no slots open in the rotation if they sign a FA SP. Norris is not being bumped based on some squirrely SP having a good spring.
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That's not happening in ST. They just don't give that much emphasis to it. There are no slots open in the rotation if they sign a FA SP. Norris is not being bumped based on some squirrely SP having a good spring.

Thanks for your usual bashing, always good to read.

Pitching spots have been won in ST training before, doesn't happen often, but it can happen.

Glad to see you have the inside track to the Orioles FO and assured of a pitching FA signee, I don't share that confidence.

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2) Duquette's comment about Buck found a closer before he can do it again.No one on the O's team is positioned the way Johnson way to close. Hunter has not proven he can get lefties out. Matusz can't get righties out. DD says O'Day is not even being considered to be the closer. Most contending team go into the season with an experienced closer. Not having one is the move of a 2nd division team. DD's comment drives me nuts.

You are forgetting Webb and Aceves have been added to the equation now... both have proven they can get lefties and righties out at times in their career. I think there will be a good battle in Spring Training.

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