Stand Pat

[crawjo]

Overall I agree with the opening post. I do think you have to look to see if you can get an upgrade at catcher, second base, in the starting rotation, or in the bullpen. But all the top prospects should be off the table, which probably means that you aren't going to get much in terms of a clear upgrade over what we have. Except for the bullpen--I do think they can and should acquire another arm, both for the regular season and in the postseason.

[weams]

I am confused. I was reading this about Wesley from the BleedingCubbie Blue page "Wesley Wright is the picture of a LOOGY (Lefty One-Out GuY), having fully made the transition back to the bullpen after the Astros attempted to give him starts earlier in his career (insert joke about the Astros misusing left-handed pitching talent here). His career numbers and 2014 numbers tell the same story. Over his career, he has a 2.81 FIP against lefties compared to 5.53 against righties; in 2014, he sports a miniscule 1.34 FIP against left-handers compared to a solid 3.80 against right-handers. He has been truly excellent against same-sided batters with a superb strikeout rate (10.80 K/9), tiny walk rate (1.80 BB/9), and he has yet to allow an extra-base hit to a lefty over 44 plate appearances this year. Wright has been charged with just one run since May 23 over 16 appearances. This is the kind of lefty that teams seek out in July to face Jason Heyward or Robinson Cano in the playoffs. A true specialist."

But, looking it up myself, it does not appear to be the case at all...confusing. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=wrighwe01&year=2014&t=p#plato::none

Exactly. He does K a lot of lefties. But they also hit him well.

[RhythmNathan]

September is soon here.

That's what Yoon thought.

[Just Regular]

Yep, 4-5 days is the standard for...just about everyone (and I just looked at the game logs for Kershaw, et al.). If a team had six Kershaw's, I imagine they'd figure out how to manage a six man rotation, but that's not a problem the O's currently enjoy.

Interesting hypothetical. If I had six Kershaws, I'd be tempted to keep a 5-man rotation and keep the 6th in bubble wrap until one of the first 5 hurt himself. Replace Kershaws with our six guys, and it feels a bit like what we're doing right now.

[Frobby]

That's pretty close to a completely unsubstantiated theory, and I'd like to see some proof. How much rest is "good" depends in part on a pitcher's arsenal (e.g., it's pretty common to hear how sinkerballers fare worse when they're "too strong" after a long layoff), and consistent repetitions are important to basically every sport ever. Why would the O's have bothered to send Norris and Gonzo to the MiLs over the AS break if the extra rest would've made them better coming back?

4 days/5 days/6+ days (career)

Tillman 4.35/4.44/3.63

Chen 4.23/3.89/3.65

Gonzalez 4.22/2.59/3.53

Norris 3.97/4.49/4.95

Jimenez 3.70/4.31/4.62

Pretty much a wash. Gonzo and Chen do better with extra rest, Norris and Jimenez do better when pitching more regularly. And while Tillman is more or less neutral between 4/5 days, he does better with 6+. I used career numbers to get a decent sample size, but my sense is that more recently, Tillman tends to be better when he pitches more regularly. I don't have time to look up more recent numbers for each of our pitchers.

[weams]

That's pretty close to a completely unsubstantiated theory, and I'd like to see some proof. How much rest is "good" depends in part on a pitcher's arsenal (e.g., it's pretty common to hear how sinkerballers fare worse when they're "too strong" after a long layoff), and consistent repetitions are important to basically every sport ever. Why would the O's have bothered to send Norris and Gonzo to the MiLs over the AS break if the extra rest would've made them better coming back?

Jim Palmer inferred that Zach Britton blew our save because he did not throw over the break.

[waroriole]

Overall I agree with the opening post. I do think you have to look to see if you can get an upgrade at catcher, second base, in the starting rotation, or in the bullpen. But all the top prospects should be off the table, which probably means that you aren't going to get much in terms of a clear upgrade over what we have. Except for the bullpen--I do think they can and should acquire another arm, both for the regular season and in the postseason.

I agree. Unless you can get an Ace for

1 of Gausman/Bundy/Harvey

2 of ERod/Walker/Sisco/Schoop

We're better off staying put, or making small moves.

[weams]

I agree. Unless you can get an Ace for

1 of Gausman/Bundy/Harvey

2 of ERod/Walker/Sisco/Schoop

We're better off staying put, or making small moves.

An Ace with three year's of control. Right?

[Roll Tide]

Overall I agree with the opening post. I do think you have to look to see if you can get an upgrade at catcher, second base, in the starting rotation, or in the bullpen. But all the top prospects should be off the table, which probably means that you aren't going to get much in terms of a clear upgrade over what we have. Except for the bullpen--I do think they can and should acquire another arm, both for the regular season and in the postseason.

Standing pat sends the message that the font office isn't trying. The Orioles have big holes at 2B and C. The offense will never hold up with so many sub .220 hitters. The could use a LH RP and a #1 starter with so many holes it's silly if they get nothing done.

[waroriole]

An Ace with three year's of control. Right?

Right. Not someone like Price, who is declining.

[waroriole]

Standing pat sends the message that the font office isn't trying. The Orioles have big holes at 2B and C. The offense will never hold up with so many sub .220 hitters. The could use a LH RP and a #1 starter with so many holes it's silly if they get nothing done.

So offer a trade proposal. What would you do.

[MrOrange82]

4 days/5 days/6+ days (career)

Tillman 4.35/4.44/3.63

Chen 4.23/3.89/3.65

Gonzalez 4.22/2.59/3.53

Norris 3.97/4.49/4.95

Jimenez 3.70/4.31/4.62

Pretty much a wash. Gonzo and Chen do better with extra rest, Norris and Jimenez do better when pitching more regularly. And while Tillman is more or less neutral between 4/5 days, he does better with 6+. I used career numbers to get a decent sample size, but my sense is that more recently, Tillman tends to be better when he pitches more regularly. I don't have time to look up more recent numbers for each of our pitchers.

That sounds about right. I didn't think there was any hard/fast rule that said more rest = better results for everyone.

[MrOrange82]

Right. Not someone like Price, who is declining.

Is that one of Gausman/Bundy/Harvey AND two from the second group? I imagine that's what it'd take (at minimum) to get someone like Hamels, especially if you expect the other team to keep significant salary in the deal (i.e., there's simply no way the O's will trade for a contract like Hamels' unless it's 50% or more paid for by the Phillies).

[Malike]

Right. Not someone like Price, who is declining.

What gives you the impression he's in decline? Is it the 141 hits in 155+ innings? Is it the 1.2 BB/9? Is it the 10 K/9, or is it the 1.041 WHIP? It must be the 1.1 HR/9 which is the second highest of his career? He's enjoying his highest K/9, Lowest BB/9 and lowest WHIP. Nothing really screams decline to me. :scratchchinhmm:

[waroriole]

Is that one of Gausman/Bundy/Harvey AND two from the second group? I imagine that's what it'd take (at minimum) to get someone like Hamels, especially if you expect the other team to keep significant salary in the deal (i.e., there's simply no way the O's will trade for a contract like Hamels' unless it's 50% or more paid for by the Phillies).

Yes, then whatever throw ins are necessary. Hamels isn't who I was thinking of though. He's on the down swing.