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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Duquette: "The fans have got to follow what we've done over the last couple of years to field a competitive team ."</p>? Roch Kubatko (@masnRoch) <a href="
">December 11, 2014</a></blockquote>

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It's like he's talking directly to you, Birdland.

Fans need to get use to the idea that Dan is going to run this team like a less ballsy, more conservative Oakland A's. Heavy emphasis on the farm, avoiding long term contracts with diminishing value, using platoons to try to make up the production the farm isn't giving you, etc. The only difference is we probably are willing to take players to the end of their contracts, unlike say a Josh Donaldson type trade, and we are willing to bust out the checkbook when it makes sense, like an Adam Jones signing. We won't be trading big time prospects in the off-season so we can acquire Justin Upton and his .5 WAR value, in hopes of then paying him 20m a season for the next 5 to 6 years. It's just not going to happen.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>More on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MNTwins?src=hash">#MNTwins</a> agreeing to sign Ervin Santana to a four-year deal worth $13.5 per year, per a source: <a href="http://t.co/JAVjhRqy1u">http://t.co/JAVjhRqy1u</a></p>— Rhett Bollinger (@RhettBollinger) <a href="

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>More on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MNTwins?src=hash">#MNTwins</a> agreeing to sign Ervin Santana to a four-year deal worth $13.5 per year, per a source: <a href="http://t.co/JAVjhRqy1u">http://t.co/JAVjhRqy1u</a></p>? Rhett Bollinger (@RhettBollinger) <a href="
">December 11, 2014</a></blockquote>

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Man, I was hoping we got him instead of Ubaldo. I was happy with Ubaldo at the time but looks awful now.

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Rule V draft is over, is it safe to assume that the rest of the Winter Meetings is now officially a vacation? :eektf:

Most teams are going to want players that the O's are not willing to move, so I can't see them making a trade right now.

I don't see them signing a free agent right now - you know the motto - perculate.

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Rule V draft is over, is it safe to assume that the rest of the Winter Meetings is now officially a vacation? :eektf:

Most teams are going to want players that the O's are not willing to move, so I can't see them making a trade right now.

I don't see them signing a free agent right now - you know the motto - perculate.

Dan says no trades.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Reds continuing dialogue with both Aoki and Morse....Royals also still pursuing Aoki</p>— Jim Bowden (@JimBowden_ESPN) <a href="

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Keep sitting on your hands Dan no one is gonna be left.

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