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Even though I have no experience in a clubhouse environment, I have to think it isn't that much different than any work environment....morale matters A LOT. In a low morale work environment, no matter how skilled or talented the employees are, they are not going to perform to the best of their abilities. I don't think the fact that they are millionaires or playing a game for a job should mean that they are immune to any of the same emotional highs and lows of any workplace. If I am a player on this team, what I watched over the offseason was a team that was some unlucky breaks away from a World Series appearance for the first time in 31 years get worse. I think that might impact my morale as well. My ace pitcher getting shelled regularly probably doesn't help either.

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Even though I have no experience in a clubhouse environment, I have to think it isn't that much different than any work environment....morale matters A LOT. In a low morale work environment, no matter how skilled or talented the employees are, they are not going to perform to the best of their abilities. I don't think the fact that they are millionaires or playing a game for a job should mean that they are immune to any of the same emotional highs and lows of any workplace. If I am a player on this team, what I watched over the offseason was a team that was some unlucky breaks away from a World Series appearance for the first time in 31 years get worse. I think that might impact my morale as well. My ace pitcher getting shelled regularly probably doesn't help either.

You work in a Union shop? With a seniority based compensation system? Remember, there are not a lot of degrees in the clubhouse too.

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Back to the OP: I don't think there is any "clubhouse problem." The team just hasn't been able to hit well and pitch well at the same time often enough so far this season. And while I still think this team has plenty of time to put things together and win the AL East, overall I don't think this is as strong a team as we had in 2014. Losing Cruz and Markakis has had an impact. Hopefully we can get Wieters and Schoop back and have better luck with health after that, and that will help. It would also help if Tillman were to get over the hump and pitch better. I don't think any of that has to do with chemistry or morale.

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I think you read too much into things. Whatever I like how Manny is playing.

Manny and Harped play with attitude and the umps are aware of them. The only thing separating the two is one is an Oriole, thus some don't see that he is an immature kid at times on the field. The tantrums and throwing of equipment is little league crap that needs to stop. The hot dogging on defense that has resulted in throwing errors needs to stop. Manny has the potential to be one of the greats in the game, but the arrogance needs to be left off the field.

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Manny and Harped play with attitude and the umps are aware of them. The only thing separating the two is one is an Oriole, thus some don't see that he is an immature kid at times on the field. The tantrums and throwing of equipment is little league crap that needs to stop. The hot dogging on defense that has resulted in throwing errors needs to stop. Manny has the potential to be one of the greats in the game, but the arrogance needs to be left off the field.
Plenty of players complain about strike calls. Nobody called Jeter immature. As far as I know Manny has had two overt instances of temper, the bat/Donaldson, and the equipment toss the other day. I am not building some grand immaturity theory out of those. Not with all the extreme examples of temper I see all over baseball. I am glad to see Manny is intense. Be nice if a few other O's were.
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lolololol, so chemistry doesn't exist so long as you're in a union?

You can live in dreamworld all you want, but clubhouse chemistry exists and is important. I don't know why you're in such denial about it.

The Yankees (both FO and players) openly were critical of ARod and did everything they could to keep him off the field. They are leading the AL East. So either their clubhouse chemistry sucks and they are still leading the division, OR the chemistry has improved because ARod is playing well and leading them to wins. Either way, the Yankees are evidence that a poor clubhouse morale does not necessarily correlate to play on the field.

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Plenty of players complain about strike calls. Nobody called Jeter immature. As far as I know Manny has had two overt instances of temper, the bat/Donaldson, and the equipment toss the other day. I am not building some grand immaturity theory out of those. Not with all the extreme examples of temper I see all over baseball. I am glad to see Manny is intense. Be nice if a few other O's were.

Nice post, and I agree totally.

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lolololol, so chemistry doesn't exist so long as you're in a union?

You can live in dreamworld all you want, but clubhouse chemistry exists and is important. I don't know why you're in such denial about it.

There are unions and there are unions. I work in the theatre and the only chemistry in the stage hands union is drugs.
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"Winning creates chemistry more than the other way around. I've seen clubs that don't necessarily like each other, but they respected each other once they got on the field, and that's more important than being happy to go out to dinner with each other."

"You're always going to have great chemistry when you win. When you lose, I don't care how good of guys they are, they're going to hate each other and you're going to have a miserable summer. I believe chemistry comes from leadership and respect. I believe that anywhere in life, any job, you're not going to have chemistry if you don't have success."

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