Offseason Rumors and Deals Around MLB

[DrungoHazewood]

Helton will suffer like Walker is right now. Larry Walker is a HOF player, but the voters can't see past the Coors Field effect.

40 years ago the Hall put in everyone like Chuck Klein, figuring anybody who once hit .386/40/170 had to be super awesome since none of these goldarned kids with their "nutrition" and "weightlifting" can do that anymore. What's that about Baker Bowl and it being like 305 in the RC gap? Yea, whatever. Now if you hit .372/42/147 in Coors they just round that down to "Jay Gibbons".

[25 Nuggets]

40 years ago the Hall put in everyone like Chuck Klein, figuring anybody who once hit .386/40/170 had to be super awesome since none of these goldarned kids with their "nutrition" and "weightlifting" can do that anymore. What's that about Baker Bowl and it being like 305 in the RC gap? Yea, whatever. Now if you hit .372/42/147 in Coors they just round that down to "Jay Gibbons".

Yeah. The Rockies deserve HOF players like any other franchise, but batters have the stigma and pitchers have the bad stats. Walker is the best player ever to play significant time in Coors Field (time will tell on Tulowitzki) and he is twice the player Chuck Klein was.

[DrungoHazewood]

Yeah. The Rockies deserve HOF players like any other franchise, but batters have the stigma and pitchers have the bad stats. Walker is the best player ever to play significant time in Coors Field (time will tell on Tulowitzki) and he is twice the player Chuck Klein was.

Walker was every bit as good as Alan Trammell and Tim Raines so he'll eventually go in. What's that? Oh.

At some point I'll have to accept that Ray Schalk (22 fWAR) is in, and Lou Whitaker (68 fWAR) never will be seriously considered, much less elected.

[Can_of_corn]

Leake officially off the board.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/mike-leake-to-sign-soon-cardinals-in-mix.html

5/75..

[Can_of_corn]

Do you think that beats what Kazmir will get?

I don't think Kazmir will get five years.

[weams]

I don't think Kazmir will get five years.

I think if we give him four. He's ours.

[Can_of_corn]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirms: Leake to Cardinals done, pending physical. Expectation is that it'll be 5 years, $75M w/ $18M option for '21.</p>— Chris Cotillo (@ChrisCotillo) <a href="

">December 22, 2015</a></blockquote>

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[backwardsk]

I easily would have made that offer. Whether or not he'd want to switch leagues is up for debate.

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[Pickles]

I easily would have made that offer. Whether or not he'd want to switch leagues is up for debate.

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That's a lot of scrill for a 5'10" righty w a career SO rate of 6 per 9, and a 100 ERA+ in the NL.

[orioles119]

Maybe this will be a pitching domino - and a resolution to the Kazmir/Gallardo debate. At this point, I'll take either one. I actually prefer Gallardo since he's a groundball pitcher as opposed to Kazmir's fly ball tendencies, draft pick be damned.

[backwardsk]

That's a lot of scrill for a 5'10" righty w a career SO rate of 6 per 9, and a 100 ERA+ in the NL.

Groundball pitcher with a good defense behind him. Young FA. Mexican League projects and $4M Asian starters aren't walking through that door. We don't have the greatest track record developing starters. Leake type of production could end up being $20M+ during his contract.

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[Pickles]

Groundball pitcher with a good defense behind him. Young FA. Mexican League projects and $4M Asian starters aren't walking through that door. We don't have the greatest track record developing starters. Leake type of production could end up being $20M+ during his contract.

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And when he's k-ing 5 something a game, walking close to 3, and giving up over a hr a game, as he likely would in the AL East, that isn't 20 million a year production.

Leake's a slightly sturdier, slightly better version of Miguel Gonzalez.

[Can_of_corn]

I easily would have made that offer. Whether or not he'd want to switch leagues is up for debate.

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Full no trade clause.

[24fps]

Full no trade clause.

I thought it was a solid albeit full retail deal for both parties until reading this.

[TonySoprano]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirms: Leake to Cardinals done, pending physical. Expectation is that it'll be 5 years, $75M w/ $18M option for '21.</p>— Chris Cotillo (@ChrisCotillo) <a href="

">December 22, 2015</a></blockquote>

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Rosenthal says 5/$80M with options that could push the deal to $93M, so maybe $5M is buyout in '21.