Jump to content

Duquette and Trades

Bahama O's Fan

By Bahama O's Fan
in Orioles Talk

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 274
  • Created
  • Last Reply
weams Hangout Grand Counsel

weams

Posted
Posted
The general consensus around here is that Dan is bad when it comes to trades; he gets fleeced. Is this perception or reality? When I see trades for Brach and Trumbo' date=' it seems to me that he may not be as bad as perceived.[/quote']

Dan Duquette is one of the 30 best people at making MLB trades in the world. He might not be top five.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

Frobby

Posted
Posted

Nobody makes bad trades (or good ones) every time. Dan seems to be better at times of year when the other side doesn't have the leverage. I think on balance he has been too willing to give up young talent for rental players at the trade deadline.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
weams Hangout Grand Counsel

weams

Posted
Posted

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andrew Miller just completed the most dominant first half by any reliever in MLB history: <a href="https://t.co/o1STQduiQ6">https://t.co/o1STQduiQ6</a></p>— Katie Sharp (@ktsharp) <a href="

">July 11, 2016</a></blockquote>

<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Matt, Manny, and Chris Davis cost us.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bahama O's Fan Hangout Grand Counsel

Bahama O's Fan

Posted
  • Author
Posted
Jake's success is a dark cloud over him.

Though, when you step back, and say he turned Devin Jones and Steve Clevenger into two all-stars, I don't know why he gets the criticism.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

At the time, did anyone really think the trade was a bad one? I think people were calling for Arrieta and Strop to be DFA at the time.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MagicBird Major Leaguer

MagicBird

Posted
Posted

People can think and say what they want, but after 14 consecutive losing seasons we've seen a change and its a change I happen to like. And those trades have brought positive change.

BTW, do we still have the best record in the AL since 2012?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
weams Hangout Grand Counsel

weams

Posted
Posted
People can think and say what they want, but after 14 consecutive losing seasons we've seen a change and its a change I happen to like. And those trades have brought positive change.

BTW, do we still have the best record in the AL since 2012?

I understand. But the OP is directing it specifically to his ability with trades, and I'd like to see it say on that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
weams Hangout Grand Counsel

weams

Posted
Posted
At the time' date=' did anyone really think the trade was a bad one? I think people were calling for Arrieta and Strop to be DFA at the time.[/quote']

I wanted to see Arrieta again as an Oriole like folks want to see Ubaldo.

Pedro? He could not stay on a competitive team at that point. He had to be DFA that day.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

Frobby

Posted
Posted
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andrew Miller just completed the most dominant first half by any reliever in MLB history: <a href="https://t.co/o1STQduiQ6">https://t.co/o1STQduiQ6</a></p>— Katie Sharp (@ktsharp) <a href="
">July 11, 2016</a></blockquote>

<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Matt, Manny, and Chris Davis cost us.

I think Katie Sharp is entitled to her opinion. Here's her argument:

Andrew Miller has been arguably the most valuable pitcher on the Yankees staff thus far, featuring video game-like stats that haven’t been duplicated by anybody before this year. He is the only player in major-league history to pitch at least 35 innings in the first half and post an ERA below 1.50, a strikeout rate of at least 15.0 per nine innings and a WHIP below 1.00.

http://riveraveblues.com/2016/07/yankeemetrics-escape-from-the-jake-july-7-10-141361/

Great numbers, but who says those cut-off points on those three stats are what you should use to determine who had the most dominant half in baseball history?

I say Zach Britton is the first reliever to have an ERA below 1.00, a WHIP below 1.00, a K rate over 10 and a GB rate over 75% in over 35 innings in the first half. (Not that I've actually checked, but I think it's highly likely to be true.) Who's to say that isn't a better measure of dominance?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ChuckS Hangout Grand Counsel

ChuckS

Posted
Posted

Recent deadline deals have not worked out well for us. Davies, EdRod, and Hader were all traded for players who weren't the difference between making or missing the playoffs. Imagine having those three guys in our organization right now.

Arrieta was a failed pitcher here who received multiple chances. You can't be mad about the trade. Anger towards the coaches responsible for developing pitchers may be warranted.

With all that said, I like that he is willing to take risks to improve the team just wish the personnel involved had been different.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • RZNJ
      Draft Targets 2 Months Out

      By RZNJ · Posted

      Before Elias.  They generally haven’t missed on a 1st round or 1st round comp pick with the position players.   I trust they’ll make a good decision at #22 and #32.   Their track record in rounds 2-4, particularly on college position players and specifically the last three drafts is suspect.   
    • OriolesMagic83
      Draft Targets 2 Months Out

      By OriolesMagic83 · Posted

      Or a Grenier/DJ Stewart type.
    • OriolesMagic83
      The 2024 Trade Deadline

      By OriolesMagic83 · Posted

      Anyone want to guess what it would take to get Crochet from the White Sox?  We could send SG over to ask politely and remind them of what they missed out on Ortiz.  I'm sure that wouldn't stir up a hornet's nest.
    • RZNJ
      2023 19th Round Pick (#571): Kollin Ritchie - SS - (HS) Atoka HS (OK)

      By RZNJ · Posted

      SS?   When we drafted him last year he sounded like a 3B or COF.   Well, at least it sounds like we evaluated him well.
    • Hallas
      Colton Cowser 2024

      By Hallas · Posted

      He's hitting a lot of loud outs and he's taking some borderline pitches for called strike 3 that he probably should be hacking at.  He doesn't really seem to be getting a ton of help from the umps with his plate discipline though.
    • RZNJ
      Draft Targets 2 Months Out

      By RZNJ · Posted

      Maybe Hall would be better off if we had done that.  He sure seemed to make a lot more progress as a reliever than he did the last 2-3 years in the minors.   I’m all for seeing what McDermott can do in the bullpen.   Still doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be interested in adding Brecht as well.   That’s not saying he’d even be ready to contribute this year but maybe. I think Sale, Crochet, and others prove that you can fast track as a reliever and still go back to starting.   Anyway, I think I’ll just leave it at agree to disagree.  I’m looking for elite talent at #22 even if the guy profiles as a reliever.   I’ll take that over a Billy Amick type.
    • Hallas
      Colton Cowser 2024

      By Hallas · Posted

      Everything about Adley's throwing has taken a hit this year.  His pop time used to be top tier and he's degraded to around league average.  That's on top of his propensity to throw the ball to Narnia.   Some of the throwing issues I'd excuse because no one is throwing runners out at a good clip anymore (the base size and pickoff rules really made meaningful changes there) but he's not really a plus guy with the run game anymore.  He's still elite at blocking the plate and framing so that's good.   Wieters had a pretty steep drop-off through his mid-20s defensively as well.  It's hard to be Ivan Rodriguez and be an elite thrower from the backstop for like 15 years straight. 

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...