Duquette on Hunter Harvey - "Looks like he's having TJ" (Surgery Scheduled)

[sportsfan8703]

Has anyone ever studied minor-league pitching injury rates, on a per-team basis? It seems like the Orioles simply cannot draft a starting pitcher and deploy him without major injury (Gausman being one very notable exception). Some of this has to be perception on my part. The Orioles cannot be THIS plagued/bad when it comes to developing pitchers, can they?

What kills us is that we don't have the depth that other systems have. We don't spend enough in Latin America and we've been handing away draft picks like tic tacs. Plus we've had to trade away a bunch of arms to maintain winning at the MLB level.

So we have less lotto tickets, which means we have less of a chance to hit the lottery and develop one of these guys. Plus look at the division we're in. Other than the Rays who are the homegrown starters in the division. It's such a tough division that teams in our division have to trade for proven commodities to have a chance. We're playing with a stacked deck when it comes to developing pitchers.

[SilentJames]

I wonder too if there is too much long tossing going on. Back in the good old days, there was none of this nonsense going on and you never heard of TJS. You had four man staffs and guys typically we're throwing 120-140 pitches per start on three days rest! Guys like Peterson really concern me because they are into all these bio-science bs. I read he once had Bundy stand back x amount of feet and throw nothing but fastballs into some string contraption he devised. WTF does that prove other than adding more stress on a kids arm. Someone like Mazzone has to laugh at all this baloney. Would love to see him come back and get this organization right because right now we are a rudderless ship when it comes to developing pitching.

The string thing is focusing on hitting the bottom of the strike zone. Thus working on commanding the fastball in the bottom of the zone.

Rudderless? I think that is unfair. Tillman has been great. Britton is the best closer in baseball. Injuries happen, and they happen all over baseball. This is not unique to the Orioles.

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[SilentJames]

In the good old days you never heard of TJS because it hadn't been invented yet. Neither had year-round youth baseball, travel leagues etc., etc. A lot of people, including myself, believe that many of today's pitchers have been partially damaged from misuse before they ever reached professional baseball. No bio-science bs ever got in the way of their early coaches.

Ask Zach Britton what he thinks about the "string contraption".

Seriously. The way high school and college programs push some pitchers is ridiculous and dangerous. That stuff did not happen in the "old days."

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[weams]

The string thing is focusing on hitting the bottom of the strike zone. Thus working on commanding the fastball in the bottom of the zone.

Rudderless? I think that is unfair. Tillman has been great. Britton is the best closer in baseball. Injuries happen, and they happen all over baseball. This is not unique to the Orioles.

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All the minor leaguers build muscle memory throwing to hit the string, which is the bottom of the called strike zone.

[Can_of_corn]

All the minor leaguers build muscle memory throwing to hit the string, which is the bottom of the called strike zone.

Until they move it.

Then it becomes ball four.

[weams]

Until they move it.

Then it becomes ball four.

Then the'll move the string. Silly.

[weams]

I saw Peterson give a demonstration on At Bat results vs. pitch location and count for about two hours one time. It was fascinating and way over my head. Very analytical and adaptive process. Obviously ball players don't care for that effort. Usually.