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14 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

This team is in trouble if the pen is going to be an issue all year. Especially if the bats don't heat up. Bundy is the only started going deep regularly. And it's only a matter of time before he's run into the ground.

 

18 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

He must have an issue. 

We have already seen Britton be brought back early, then goes back to the DL.  The thing I don't get is once again it isn't like the club is in trouble. A fast start should lead to more caution not less.  

If O'Day or Hart are hurt, DL THEM FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!  We have a 10 day DL now, what additional impetus do we need?!?  

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Look I get not putting a guy on the DL right away if you don't have to. But if by Day 4 he still can't pitch and you also go with a short pen? 

Except for 14 the key to this team making postseason in 12 and 16 was the pen and a big reason we didn't in 13 was JJ. You have to protect this part of the team. And once again we are 10 games over .500 with close to 130 games to play!  For a team that usually looks at the big picture they don't seem to be right now.  

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5 minutes ago, FanSince88 said:

 

If O'Day or Hart are hurt, DL THEM FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!  We have a 10 day DL now, what additional impetus do we need?!?  

O'Day is already half way there to a DL move. At least with him for crying out loud. 

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45 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

All the days in the year aren't going to make O'day younger or effective again. He is what you get in a 34 yo reliever who had been pitching 70 games a year from his 28-32 yo seasons. The Orioles burned him up and then when he could have been traded for a big haul they instead signed him to a lifetime achievement contract, previous lifetime achievement contract award winners (JJ Hardy), and after O'day, Davis & Trumbo are the latest lifetime achievement contract award winners.

The O's are paying alot of money to bad players for what they achieved in the past not what they are worth now in 2017

Please, keep posting this. Every time I read your post is like the first time. You have even added a new twist, "lifetime achievement contract award". That's a good one. 

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O'Day was to be the closer IF the Orioles got the lead.  Hart and Brach were to be "Off-Limits".  So who did that leave??  Givens used up an innings worth of pitches on the first two batters he faced which shortened him being able to go two innings.  That left Asher and Nuno with Nuno being the freshest arm. 

 

Posters can rewrite the end of the game any way they want too, but them is the factoids if you believe any of the posts made by Melewski on his quotes from Buck.

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2017/05/showalter-bundy-and-joseph-after-os-loss-in-series-opener.html

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44 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Didn't JJ have the game winning hit on Tuesday?    I guess he shouldn't have even gotten the at bat!

It was a ground ball that bled through the infield. A foot to the left and it's a routine 4-3 and the end of the game. To be fair Hardy did have a double in extra innings and another XBH last night. But I don't think he's a better option than Kim or Davis to hit in the 9th off Herrera. 

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10 minutes ago, thezeroes said:

O'Day was to be the closer IF the Orioles got the lead.  Hart and Brach were to be "Off-Limits".  So who did that leave??  Givens used up an innings worth of pitches on the first two batters he faced which shortened him being able to go two innings.  That left Asher and Nuno with Nuno being the freshest arm. 

 

Posters can rewrite the end of the game any way they want too, but them is the factoids if you believe any of the posts made by Melewski on his quotes from Buck.

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2017/05/showalter-bundy-and-joseph-after-os-loss-in-series-opener.html

Then add another arm. 

If O'Day after 3 days off is only available as a closer then something is wrong with how your pen is set up. Obviously i assumed O'Day since he had issues early in the week was one who wasn't available. 

So you are ok with a 3.5 man pen? 

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55 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Look I get not putting a guy on the DL right away if you don't have to. But if by Day 4 he still can't pitch and you also go with a short pen? 

Except for 14 the key to this team making postseason in 12 and 16 was the pen and a big reason we didn't in 13 was JJ. You have to protect this part of the team. And once again we are 10 games over .500 with close to 130 games to play!  For a team that usually looks at the big picture they don't seem to be right now.  

There is even the 10 day DL now, O'Day should be on it right now.  I don't want hear any more excuses from Buck about O'Day not being available tonight. 

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2 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

There is even the 10 day DL now, O'Day should be on it right now.  I don't want hear any more excuses from Buck about O'Day not being available tonight. 

It isn't clear if Brach or O'Day was who Buck was only willing to pitch in the 8th last night.  

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25 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:

So the starters can throw 100 to 120 pitches and the bullpen guys can't go two games in a row? If you keep treating them like sissies that's exactly how they will act.

To me, Buck's track record with his bullpens speaks for itself.    No. 1 in win probability added since 2012, and very few injuries to speak of.    As I've said multiple times now, he knows much more than we do about what's going on down there.     I'm done commenting on this subject, and will just say again he and Dan get the benefit of the doubt from me on this subject because their track record shows they know what they're doing.   

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

To me, Buck's track record with his bullpens speaks for itself.    No. 1 in win probability added since 2012, and very few injuries to speak of.    As I've said multiple times now, he knows much more than we do about what's going on down there.     I'm done commenting on this subject, and will just say again he and Dan get the benefit of the doubt from me on this subject because their track record shows they know what they're doing.   

There is no way Buck knows more than the people posting in this thread. That is a ridiculous statement!

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