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On 6/17/2017 at 4:17 PM, Frobby said:

I'll take Hader's potential career over Tyler Wilson's any day.    

Yeah, Hader is still a highly regarded prospect.  Wilson... never was except by a few O's fans.  

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1 hour ago, weams said:

If we did, Fedde and Soto.

Finally someone not under rating him. I didn't bump the thread to even talk about trading Brach. I was pointing out how spoiled we are to have an elite back end bullpen. Brach is a beast. 

He might be an All Star again. 

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31 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Finally someone not under rating him. I didn't bump the thread to even talk about trading Brach. I was pointing out how spoiled we are to have an elite back end bullpen. Brach is a beast. 

He might be an All Star again. 

He's very good.   His few poor outings came during a period where he was being used extremely heavily, out of necessity due to the number of narrow leads we were protecting and the absences of Britton and O'Day.    The one positive of our lousy play from mid-May to mid-June is that we didn't need to call on Brach very often, and his innings are now at normal levels, and hopefully will stay that way with O'Day back and Britton on the way shortly.    

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By the way:

Brach - 1 ER in his last 15.1 IP (back to May 19)

Givens - 1 ER in his last 15.2 IP (back to May 20)

O'Day - 3 ER in his last 16.0 IP (back to May 1).

The bullpen as a whole has allowed 1 run in 14.1 innings over the last five games.    

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5 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Finally someone not under rating him. I didn't bump the thread to even talk about trading Brach. I was pointing out how spoiled we are to have an elite back end bullpen. Brach is a beast. 

He might be an All Star again. 

Who underrated Brach.

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4 hours ago, Frobby said:

By the way:

Brach - 1 ER in his last 15.1 IP (back to May 19)

Givens - 1 ER in his last 15.2 IP (back to May 20)

O'Day - 3 ER in his last 16.0 IP (back to May 1).

The bullpen as a whole has allowed 1 run in 14.1 innings over the last five games.    

Trade them all. ? 

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8 hours ago, 99ct said:

I want to trade him. Not because I undervalue him, but rather because I value him highly and think we could get a nice haul for him. The Nats could have swept the Cubs but ended up splitting the four game series due to late bullpen collapses. Seems like an ominous sign for their 2017 playoff run. Blake Treinen, who couldn't close out a 2 run lead with 2 outs, is now sporting an ERA over 6. If I were them, I'd pay almost anything for Brach/Britton/Givens

Yes I want to deal guys who can bring back elite talent, that's why I don't mention Hardy or Wright. Brach should bring back something purdy.

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8 hours ago, pastorfan said:

Brach is worth more now, because how relievers are valued has changed dramatically in recent years....and BTW, while we are a perfect match for the Nats, Angelos will never make a deal with them.

The Nats may be desperate, Turner out and the bullpen just blew another save. If we can get Robles, even the Duq & Peter would have to sing to the heavens and accept. I'd hope. The value of Brach has gone up this week with an injury in SF and another Nats meltdown. Peter is a stubborn old fart but this is the perfect time to take advantage of the Nats strengths. Unfortunately Taylor is becoming too good to trade away. I've wanted him in Baltimore for a couple years, that power, D, speed combination is something else...he's their Mancini, having success by default. They didn't want him to get ABs but they've backed in to seeing how gifted he is and how bad the trade for Eaton really was.

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7 hours ago, weams said:

If we did, Fedde and Soto.

Do you realize how much you're asking for? A top 50 MLB ready arm and one of the elite collection of MLB's young hitters (Eloy JIminez, Vlad Jr, Ronald Acuna, Juan Soto) just isn't going to happen. There's a very significant chance that Soto finishes this year top 20. Mid relievers do not draw that kind of return.

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Just now, Tryptamine said:

Do you realize how much you're asking for? A top 50 MLB ready arm and one of the elite collection of MLB's young hitters (Eloy JIminez, Vlad Jr, Ronald Acuna, Juan Soto) just isn't going to happen. There's a very significant chance that Soto finishes this year top 20. Mid relievers do not draw that kind of return.

It's what a good closer will cost. 

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1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

Do you realize how much you're asking for? A top 50 MLB ready arm and one of the elite collection of MLB's young hitters (Eloy JIminez, Vlad Jr, Ronald Acuna, Juan Soto) just isn't going to happen. There's a very significant chance that Soto finishes this year top 20. Mid relievers do not draw that kind of return.

You don;t understand how desperate they are for that type of arm as well. They did not advance in a playoff. Ever. They are not the Cubs. They wish to beat the Cubs. 

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4 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Do you realize how much you're asking for? A top 50 MLB ready arm and one of the elite collection of MLB's young hitters (Eloy JIminez, Vlad Jr, Ronald Acuna, Juan Soto) just isn't going to happen. There's a very significant chance that Soto finishes this year top 20. Mid relievers do not draw that kind of return.

Oh, you still think of him as a mid reliever. I can see your point if that was your view. He's elite backend at this point. 

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Just now, weams said:

You don;t understand how desperate they are for that type of arm as well. They did not advance in a playoff. Ever. They are not the Cubs. They wish to beat the Cubs. 

So you think they're going to pay more than what the Indians paid for Miller and get a lesser pitcher?

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1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

So you think they're going to pay more than what the Indians paid for Miller and get a lesser pitcher?

Miller had a big contract. Some thought with his injury history, a risky one.

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