Our starters have failed to go five innings 23 times

[Cumberbundy]

15 hours ago, Frobby said:

I mean, that is just pathetic.   

Less than one inning - 1.

Less than two innings - 4.

Less than three innings - 10.

Less than four innings - 14.

Less than five innings - 23.   

I am beyond frustrated.

In Miley's better starts he was burning the pen, that guy is scared of contact. It's got to be awful being in the field behind him. 

[webbrick2010]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

And between two and three first round draft picks added to the farm.

Of course under the new system you can't really divert a large sum to international signings.

Ilso don't think you can sign top tier starting pitchers in Baltimore.

Agree, signing FA pitchers is a stretch and I'm actually completely against long term contracts for star players

The only path is the Tampa Bay model, develop a large group of starting pitching acquired from the draft and key trades of soon to be expensive (FA) players on your roster.

If we would have traded Jim Johnson in 2013 and Chris Davis and Darren O'day in 2015 I think we could have had a dynamite team

[Cumberbundy]

Only 4 teams have fewer quality starts than the O's, but we do have as many as Houston. 

Only one team has a BAA over .274, that's us, at .281. Houston is at .232. We are one of 6 teams with fewer than 605 strike outs. We are one of 7 teams without a CG. We are one of two teams to give up over 400 earned runs. We are one of 3 teams with over 310 walks.

Houston has 852 Ks to 261 BBs

Baltimore has 602 Ks to 312 BBs

Not long ago we were looking down at those Astros. Their strength is their bats, their arms also embarrass ours. They've somehow turned Brad Peacock into a strike out machine. We turned Gausman into a pitching machine. 

 

 

[sportsfan8703]

We play in so many games that are just non competitive. We're down 3-0, 4-1, early every game. If the SP wasn't so bad I think the bats would scrap back some more and grind some runs out. Can't grind when you're down 10. 

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

We play in so many games that are just non competitive. We're down 3-0, 4-1, early every game. If the SP wasn't so bad I think the bats would scrap back some more and grind some runs out. Can't grind when you're down 10. 

To your point, in the 24 games where the starters failed to last 5 innings, they have a record of 0-13.   Miraculously, the offense bailed the starters out of a decision in 11 of those games, but that still put us in a ridiculous hole.  

 

[SteveA]

36 minutes ago, Frobby said:

To your point, in the 23 games where the starters failed to last 5 innings, they have a record of 0-13.   Miraculously, the offense bailed the starters out of a decision in 10 of those games, but that still put us in a ridiculous hole.  

I'm surprised it's that good.  It had to be 0 and something, I probably would have guessed 16 or 17.

[Frobby]

40 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I'm surprised it's that good.  It had to be 0 and something, I probably would have guessed 16 or 17.

Here are the details of the games the starter didn't lose:

4/7 - Ubaldo yanked after allowing 5 runs in 4.1, but we won 6-5.

4/8 - Gausman yanked after allowing 4 runs in 4.1, but we won 5-4.

4/12 - Ubaldo yanked after allowing 5 runs in 4.2, but we won 12-5.

4/24 - Ubaldo yanked after allowing 3 in 3.1, but we won 6-3.

5/5 - Miley yanked after pitching 0.2 scoreless (he was hit twice in a row by liners and was pulled), but we won 4-2.

5/13 - Tillman yanked after allowing 3 runs in 4.1, but Asher took the loss in a 4-3 game.

5/14 - Gausman yanked after allowing 5 runs in 3.1 innings, but Bleier took the loss in a 9-8 game.  

5/22 - Ubaldo yanked after allowing 6 runs in 4.0, but Wilson took the loss in a 14-7 game.   

6/7 - Miley yanked after allowing 4 runs in 2.2 innings, but we won 9-6.

6/20 - Tillman yanked after allowing 5 runs in 4.0, but we won 6-5.

6/25 - Tillman yanked after allowing 5 runs in 4.1, but we won 8-5.

That's 11 games the starter didn't lose despite not lasting 5 innings, and we actually won 8 of those.

By the way, I miscounted in the OP and thread title.    It's actually 24 times that the starter hasn't lasted 5 innings, not 23.    

[scOtt]

I'm surprised it's only 23. Seems like it ought to be much closer to half the games.

[OFFNY]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

 

Here are the details of the games the starter didn't lose:

 

4/7 - Ubaldo yanked after allowing 5 runs in 4.1, but we won 6-5.

4/8 - Gausman yanked after allowing 4 runs in 4.1, but we won 5-4.

4/12 - Ubaldo yanked after allowing 5 runs in 4.2, but we won 12-5.

4/24 - Ubaldo yanked after allowing 3 in 3.1, but we won 6-3.

5/5 - Miley yanked after pitching 0.2 scoreless (he was hit twice in a row by liners and was pulled), but we won 4-2.

5/13 - Tillman yanked after allowing 3 runs in 4.1, but Asher took the loss in a 4-3 game.

5/14 - Gausman yanked after allowing 5 runs in 3.1 innings, but Bleier took the loss in a 9-8 game.  

5/22 - Ubaldo yanked after allowing 6 runs in 4.0, but Wilson took the loss in a 14-7 game.   

6/7 - Miley yanked after allowing 4 runs in 2.2 innings, but we won 9-6.

6/20 - Tillman yanked after allowing 5 runs in 4.0, but we won 6-5.

6/25 - Tillman yanked after allowing 5 runs in 4.1, but we won 8-5.

 

That's 11 games the starter didn't lose despite not lasting 5 innings, and we actually won 8 of those 11.

 

By the way, I miscounted in the OP and thread title. It's actually 24 times that the starter hasn't lasted 5 innings, not 23.

 

 

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You can change the thread title by hitting "edit" for your Opening Post, and then going to the upper-left corner of the screen, which is where the thread title is.

 

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[Frobby]

43 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

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You can change the thread title by hitting "edit" for your Opening Post, and then going to the upper-left corner of the screen, which is where the thread title is.

 

o

Thanks.    The OP gave a breakdown of the "23" games according to how many innings the starter pitched, and I don't have the energy to figure out what game I missed right now, so I'm just going to leave it for the time being.    I'm pretty confident the total's not going to stay at 24 anyway.

[scOtt]

55 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

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You can change the thread title by hitting "edit" for your Opening Post, and then going to the upper-left corner of the screen, which is where the thread title is.

 

o

I didn't know you could do that! Thanks.