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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

And you think Mountcastle is going to be worth 11 fWAR as an Oriole?

Depends on which position he plays.  He's a ways off, but I think it's reasonable that he could average 1.9 rWAR over 6 seasons.  I don't think that's unreasonable.

Akin may be able to do it too.

Mancini has 1.8 in 79 games.

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1 minute ago, backwardsk said:

Let's use another comparison.  Miguel Cabrera.  He had more time until FA than Manny.  He was also packaged with Dontrelle Willis.  The Tigers gave up two top 10 prospects plus 4 other prospects.  

Those two top 10 prospects combined for 11.1 rWAR before becoming FAs.  

 

Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller are both highly productive major leaguers.  The Marlins just couldn't get anything out of them.

I realize not every prospect hits.  That's why you want two when you would otherwise get one.  Here is an example for you, Michael Brantley was the PTBNL in the Sabathia trade.  Get as much as you can get.

The fact is if the Orioles let Manny go for the compensation pick, unless they have just won the World Series, there will be articles raking them over the coals for being the worst run organization in baseball.

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Just now, backwardsk said:

Depends on which position he plays.  He's a ways off, but I think it's reasonable that he could average 1.9 rWAR over 6 seasons.  I don't think that's unreasonable.

Akin may be able to do it too.

A team should be able to get a better read on prospects than draft picks.

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3 hours ago, Il BuonO said:

And that is exactly what the Orioles need to be thinking about.

And exactly what they have never done. No doubt in my mind that they hold Manny at least thru next July, and get way less for him than they could get now. This organization has never played the impending FA game correctly.

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6 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller are both highly productive major leaguers.  The Marlins just couldn't get anything out of them.

I realize not every prospect hits.  That's why you want two when you would otherwise get one.  Here is an example for you, Michael Brantley was the PTBNL in the Sabathia trade.  Get as much as you can get.

The fact is if the Orioles let Manny go for the compensation pick, unless they have just won the World Series, there will be articles raking them over the coals for being the worst run organization in baseball.

I love Miller.  I wish we extended him.  But when he hit FA, his WAR was south of 0.

The Sabathia trade is a good example.  Would that return be considered a good return?  I understand that Sabathia only had the half year left.

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1 hour ago, backwardsk said:

I love Miller.  I wish we extended him.  But when he hit FA, his WAR was south of 0.

The Sabathia trade is a good example.  Would that return be considered a good return?  I understand that Sabathia only had the half year left.

Plus SP's that are rentals at the deadline appear in like what 12 games?   Position players at least play everyday.  

I think it's hilarious that there's another 6 page thread about blowing things up just because some talking head said it on TV.  They are such great experts of the Orioles team.  They just learned how to pronounce "Schoop" right this year.

 

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16 hours ago, Camden_yardbird said:

Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller are both highly productive major leaguers.  The Marlins just couldn't get anything out of them.

I realize not every prospect hits.  That's why you want two when you would otherwise get one.  Here is an example for you, Michael Brantley was the PTBNL in the Sabathia trade.  Get as much as you can get.

The fact is if the Orioles let Manny go for the compensation pick, unless they have just won the World Series, there will be articles raking them over the coals for being the worst run organization in baseball.

I think we're already seeing those articles.

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17 hours ago, Camden_yardbird said:

Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller are both highly productive major leaguers.  The Marlins just couldn't get anything out of them.

I realize not every prospect hits.  That's why you want two when you would otherwise get one.  Here is an example for you, Michael Brantley was the PTBNL in the Sabathia trade.  Get as much as you can get.

The fact is if the Orioles let Manny go for the compensation pick, unless they have just won the World Series, there will be articles raking them over the coals for being the worst run organization in baseball.

And they are.

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1 hour ago, Black Bat said:

You really think that's all they can get in such a trade?  He's 24.  He's an MVP candidate, plays solid defense and can hit (outside of half of 2017). 

We'll differ on that as I think they can command more trade value than that.  And I thought you were projecting a disingenuous scenario and one that was rather negative to boot.  I took exception.  Nothing personal, just my opinion.

Seriously?? In what league is Manny Machado an MVP candidate.? He very justly didn't even make the AS game. Not even the best player on his own team

 

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8 minutes ago, jtschrei said:

If we are sellers, how long will Buck be our manager? I don't think he wants to rebuild. 

I think that depends on the type of rebuild. If we plan to embrace the tank, I think he leaves. If it's just trade relievers and the free agents to retool in a year or two, I think he stays.

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23 hours ago, webbrick2010 said:

Seriously?? In what league is Manny Machado an MVP candidate.? He very justly didn't even make the AS game. Not even the best player on his own team

 

Really? Who has been better than Manny thus far on the team? Let's not forget his defense. And he typically is an MVP candidate, I think that was his point.

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