What Trades Will the Orioles Make?

[foxfield]

11 minutes ago, wildcard said:

My  guess is that Dan is negotiating with the White Sox for Miggy right now.   It will depend on the price.   I would guess that Dan wants to send Ubaldo, some cash to even the money and a minor leaguer from A ball for Miggy...

 

 

If it came down to an expiring contract on a current pitcher, I would send Tilly.  Ubaldo has had some value in the clubhouse with guys like Castro.  I could be wrong and I have said I do not think we make a move...but in the situation above I would move Tilly and to assuage the mental anguish for Tilly I'd give him a pat on the back and tell him he will get a fair chance to return here next year to defend our WS title!

[Frobby]

7 minutes ago, O's are Legends said:

I would say that's extremely significant to the O's being that if they acquire anyone it would most likely be a starter and if that happens we would need him eligible for postseason play.

Obviously, you'd prefer to do it before the cutoff, I'm just saying you can still do deals afterwards.   And because of the off-days in the playoff schedule, a fifth starter type might not see action in the playoffs anyway.    

[wildcard]

5 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I would bring Asher up tomorrow. He pitched last night for the first time in 15 days. Get him up here and have him piggyback Tillman o Sunday. He pitched well vs Toronto early in year. 

 

6 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I would bring Asher up tomorrow. He pitched last night for the first time in 15 days. Get him up here and have him piggyback Tillman o Sunday. He pitched well vs Toronto early in year. 

Asher pitched on the 21st and 22nd for the O's so it wasn't 15 days between appearances.  He was optioned on the 23rd  so he is probably not available until the 3rd.

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Obviously, you'd prefer to do it before the cutoff, I'm just saying you can still do deals afterwards.   And because of the off-days in the playoff schedule, a fifth starter type might not see action in the playoffs anyway.    

The way Miggy has been pitching he would probably be the O's 3rd starter.

[ChuckS]

I think we can all live with Bundy, Gausman, Hellickson, and Miley in the rotation. 

Tillman and Ubaldo need to be out of there and it's insane that they've gotten so many starts this deep into the season when you look at their numbers.  

If we can't get help from outside of the organization I'd look at Aquino and Lucas Long for some September starts. 

[eddie83]

24 minutes ago, wildcard said:

 

Asher pitched on the 21st and 22nd for the O's so it wasn't 15 days between appearances.  He was optioned on the 23rd  so he is probably not available until the 3rd.

My bad, forgot about that. Then call him up on the 3rd. Tillman starting that day. 

[eddie83]

One more thing. If we aquire a starter they could pick their spots to give someone like Ubaldo a start. They want to keep Bundy on 6 days rest. Off day next Thursday helps with that. Two off days last week of season. May only need more 2 more "6th" starter starts after Tillman on Sunday. We have seen Ubaldo pitch well at times after a big layoff. 

Sometimes Dan suprises us. Any chance we get anyone besides a starting pitcher? A lefty specialist? I doubt it but who knows.  

[spiritof66]

25 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

I think we can all live with Bundy, Gausman, Hellickson, and Miley in the rotation. 

Tillman and Ubaldo need to be out of there and it's insane that they've gotten so many starts this deep into the season when you look at their numbers.  

If we can't get help from outside of the organization I'd look at Aquino and Lucas Long for some September starts. 

There are two separate issues here, the way I see it. The first is whether to add up a fifth starter who will push Tillman and Ubaldo out of the rotation. That's both important to the playoff run -- though I am guessing Buck will give Tillman at least one more chance -- and a pretty low bar. There's no deadline for that move, except that with every start that Tillman and even more so Ubaldo make we're hurting our chances to win and inviting more innings and more pressure to be put on the relievers.  I think we'll find someone, maybe someone who is (or used to be) a Cold Killer and maybe someone else.

The second issue is whether to acquire a starter who would be among the four guys who might start a playoff game ahead of Miley or Hellickson -- if we make it to the WC game and win the WC game and get in a long playoff series. That trade would have to be made today. I don't think there will be -- or should be -- a major upgrade to the rotation, which would cost either money that should be saved for Machado and Schoop or prospects that we should hold on to. I think it's more important for the playoffs to optimize and lengthen the bullpen options than to buy a slight (or illusory) upgrade to our four starters.

While I see the issues as separate, they do converge at one point: if there's going to be a lesser, Miguel-type upgrade, making that trade today would enable the Orioles to take a look at that addition for a few weeks before deciding on a post-season roster.

[MDtransplant757]

Miguel Gonzalez/Justin Verlander for SP. 

Juan Nicasio for the BP, doesn't cost much and we get him for free from the Pirates. 

[clapdiddy]

I would really like to see us go after a lefty reliever as well as a starting pitcher.    I doubt we do anything, though.

[maybenxtyr]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

My  guess is that Dan is negotiating with the White Sox for Miggy right now.   It will depend on the price.   I would guess that Dan wants to send Ubaldo, some cash to even the money and a minor leaguer from A ball for Miggy.

I think we see Hardy, Rickard, Crichton and Yacabonis added to the roster tomorrow.

Sisco is probably added after the Tides season is over on Monday because the Tides need two catchers to finish the season.

Pedro could be added with Verrett being DFA any time after today.

Aquino, Wright and Wilson have been announced for the next three games for the Tides so they are out of play for now.   The Tides will use two more starters for the lat two games maybe Asher and Ynoa.    After they pitch Wilson and Ynoa could be DFA'd  to make room for the 40 man roster.  I don't know how interested the O's are in calling up Aquino as a lefty.  I think the O's may go outside the organization for a lefty or be ready to add Scott on the Sept 8th to 16th time frame.

Wright will get a call up but he has to stay down 10 days until the 7th,  Hart also will get recalled on the 8th.

 

 

Miggy is owed peanuts by baseball standards. Why would Chicago take a salary back and no prospect? I'm not saying we give up a top guy, but there is no reason to expect them to give him to Baltimore as a favor.

[foxfield]

Last call!  To move or not to move that is the question.  We have reached the time to play final Jeopardy and our contestants must decide not only if they can answer the question, but how much they should wager.  Our Final Jeopardy topic is:

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[weams]

12 hours ago, maybenxtyr said:

Miggy is owed peanuts by baseball standards. Why would Chicago take a salary back and no prospect? I'm not saying we give up a top guy, but there is no reason to expect them to give him to Baltimore as a favor.

He went to Texas. The Orioles said no to the deal offered. 

[Luke-OH]

7 minutes ago, weams said:

He went to Texas. The Orioles said no to the deal offered. 

For a guy who would be somewhere in the 30-40 range of O's prospect.

[maybenxtyr]

7 minutes ago, weams said:

He went to Texas. The Orioles said no to the deal offered. 

That hurts. He will probably help them down the stretch.