Matthew Edward Harvey - The Real Deal or Damaged Goods?

[SteveA]

39 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

Three words to any Matt Harvey trade talk:

Orioles

team

physical.

I know the organization is dysfunctional.

But I hope that they are not SO dysfunctional that they would allow Duquette to get deep into trade talks for someone who is known to be recovering from serious, even career threatening, illness, only to plan to pull the rug out from underneath him and negate the deal.

I hope that DD has gone to Angelos and said look, we are taking a flyer on this guy on the hopes that he can recover, so you can't expect him to have a completely clean physical.   He wouldn't be available otherwise.

We did sign get Gallardo despite the physical.

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I know the organization is dysfunctional.

But I hope that they are not SO dysfunctional that they would allow Duquette to get deep into trade talks for someone who is known to be recovering from serious, even career threatening, illness, only to plan to pull the rug out from underneath him and negate the deal.

I hope that DD has gone to Angelos and said look, we are taking a flyer on this guy on the hopes that he can recover, so you can't expect him to have a completely clean physical.   He wouldn't be available otherwise.

I agree.    But Angelos might say sorry, I don’t take those kinds of risks.   

[Roll Tide]

Quote

Mike Puma

 

✔@NYPost_Mets

 

Mets view a Harvey trade to Orioles for Brad Brach - as mentioned by @Ken_Rosenthal - as more conceivable than for Profar, but not likely to occur.

5:57 PM - Dec 11, 2017 · Florida, USA

So it looks like we'd be looking for Harvey plus for Brach...imo a 1 for 1 would be a loser for the Os

[Mitch Connor]

This whole deal is going to be like buying a scratch off lottery ticket.

[SteveA]

30 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I agree.    But Angelos might say sorry, I don’t take those kinds of risks.   

Fine, that's his right.   Just say it before Dan spends time negotiating with the Mets, not after a deal is agreed on.

[TheWall]

I want him. Way higher upside than anything else we can get our hands on. Take a flier and see where it goes.

[crawjo]

Brach is a valuable relief pitcher. Harvey is a guy you take a flyer on. I'm not trading Brach for Harvey unless there is something else significant in the deal. Either they let us dump Trumbo's contract on them, or we get something else in return. 

[24fps]

16 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Fine, that's his right.   Just say it before Dan spends time negotiating with the Mets, not after a deal is agreed on.

Except in a general way, PA wouldn't know what risk he was taking until after a deal was struck, medical records were submitted and Harvey made himself available for a physical.

I think it's more likely that PA would say "don't spend anything I can't afford to lose".  IMO that would exclude Brach and Givens but leave the door open for a B-level minor leaguer, which I think would be the appropriate cost given my lack of optimism regarding Harvey.

[Aristotelian]

Does O'Day have a no trade?

I would do Brach for prospects with Harvey's contract as a throw in. I think Sirloin mentioned Orioles interest in Urena, a #B prospect. I would not do Brach for Harvey straight up.

[Br10n]

2 minutes ago, 24fps said:

Except in a general way, PA wouldn't know what risk he was taking until after a deal was struck, medical records were submitted and Harvey made himself available for a physical.

I think it's more likely that PA would say "don't spend anything I can't afford to lose".  IMO that would exclude Brach and Givens but leave the door open for a B-level minor leaguer, which I think would be the appropriate cost given my lack of optimism regarding Harvey.

I agree with this.  There seems to be a certain tolerance level with the physical.  They have reduced and tried to reduce the length of contracts based on the physical.  They don’t always just walk away.  I would think a contrast of one year $6 mill is in the wheelhouse if the players going to the Mets are reasonable in the Orioles eyes.  I would also think Brach or Givens is too much with the risk.

[FanSince88]

If we trade O'Day or -- God forbid -- Brach for Matt Harvey then I really hope DD never gets another job again.  

SALARY DUMP ONLY in exchange for Matt Harvey.  We give up a C prospect, and THAT IS FREAKING IT!!  

 

[FanSince88]

I feel like there's a decent chance O'Day gives us a good first half.  If so, he could be some nice trade bait at the deadline if we are hopelessly out of the race and need to rebuild -- or if we're contending we could trade him for another useful piece that we need more than a middle reliever.  I would certainly consider that scenario more likely than drama king Matt Harvey having any success in hitter-friendly Camden Yards.  

[Il BuonO]

4 hours ago, SteveA said:

I know the organization is dysfunctional.

I hope that DD has gone to Angelos and said look, we are taking a flyer on this guy on the hopes that he can recover, so you can't expect him to have a completely clean physical.   He wouldn't be available otherwise.

We did sign get Gallardo despite the physical.

Yes, at a reduced cost. And it was still a bad signing.

[wildbillhiccup]

7 hours ago, FanSince88 said:

If we trade O'Day or -- God forbid -- Brach for Matt Harvey then I really hope DD never gets another job again.  

SALARY DUMP ONLY in exchange for Matt Harvey.  We give up a C prospect, and THAT IS FREAKING IT!!  

 

O"Day for Harvey would not be that egregious. I think you're over reacting a bit. And maybe the salary dump puts them in a position to up their offer to Manny. Ever think about that?

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

O"Day for Harvey would not be that egregious. I think you're over reacting a bit. And maybe the salary dump puts them in a position to up their offer to Manny. Ever think about that?

No, because two years of O’Day’s salary minus one year of Harvey’s is immaterial to Manny’s contract, plus they’ll need to have another starter for 2019 and replace O’Day with someone for two years.