The Yankees Know The Orioles Want Two Starters

[Frobby]

42 minutes ago, joelala said:

Absolutely agree.  Teams don't do that.  Especially a team like the Yankees who could, conceivably, afford to DFA him and just eat the loss.

The point of trading him is to shed salary and stay under the luxury tax threshold.    DFAing him and eating his salary doesn’t accomplish that.     But I’m not expecting the Yankees to give away a ton of prospects just to be rid of Ellsbury.    

[jamalshw]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

The point of trading him is to shed salary and stay under the luxury tax threshold.    DFAing him and eating his salary doesn’t accomplish that.     But I’m not expecting the Yankees to give away a ton of prospects just to be rid of Ellsbury.    

I don't either. I think a Machado for Adams and Andujar (plus a low level throw-in) deal is a good structure. And the add of Ellsbury also lands a Montgomery along in the package with the Yankees taking back someone like Trumbo. I do think a Adams/Sheffield, Andujar, Ellsbury and Montgomery package for Manny and Trumbo is about the best we can hope for. The problem is, I don't think it's enough for Angelos to allow Manny go to go the Bronx.

[wildbillhiccup]

49 minutes ago, jamalshw said:

I'm content with a Manny and Trumbo for Ellsbury, Adams, Montgomery and Andujar deal. That more than balances out the deal. If i could squeeze out another piece, Frazier would be my add. Still, even just the four noted would be enough for me to pull the trigger provided there's something to balance out the money in Ellsbury's final year. I know that Ellsbury wants to stay in New York, but you'd have to imagine he eventually sees the writing on the wall and realizes that if he wants to prolong his career, he'll go where there's playing time.

I didn't realize that Ellsbury had a club option in 2021. That makes me MUCH more interested in him. Also think if you threaten to bench Ellsbury it might give him more incentive to waive his no trade close. That's the leverage the Yankees have over him, since they have some OF depth. 

So in your scenario, Montgomery and Adams would slot into the rotation and Andujar would start at 3B from day one? 

[wildbillhiccup]

Just now, wildbillhiccup said:

I didn't realize that Ellsbury had a club option in 2021. That makes me MUCH more interested in him. Also think if you threaten to bench Ellsbury it might give him more incentive to waive his no trade close. That's the leverage the Yankees have over him, since they have some OF depth. 

So in your scenario, Montgomery and Adams would slot into the rotation and Andujar would start at 3B from day one? 

*clause

[jamalshw]

3 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I didn't realize that Ellsbury had a club option in 2021. That makes me MUCH more interested in him. Also think if you threaten to bench Ellsbury it might give him more incentive to waive his no trade close. That's the leverage the Yankees have over him, since they have some OF depth. 

So in your scenario, Montgomery and Adams would slot into the rotation and Andujar would start at 3B from day one? 

Yes. In my scenario I'd slot them all in from Day 1 (maybe hold Adams and Andujar enough to gain an extra year of control, but that's about it). Montgomery already has a year under his belt and showed well. Adams is Major League ready by most indications. And (at least publically) Andujar is expected to start 3B for the Yankees as of today.

[wildcard]

Who would the Yanks give up first? Montgomery or Sheffield?   Montgomery is already in their rotation.   Sheffield is a prospect that may have a higher ceiling.  But he is unproven.

[jamalshw]

9 hours ago, wildcard said:

Who would the Yanks give up first? Montgomery or Sheffield?   Montgomery is already in their rotation.   Sheffield is a prospect that may have a higher ceiling.  But he is unproven.

I think they'd give up Montgomery first. New York seems to be looking for another starter (based on reports) which would bump Montgomery to the pen or minors.

[wildbillhiccup]

I feel like I'm enabling most of you by posting this, but news is news. 

According to Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports, the Yankees are willing to pay "at least half" of Jacoby Ellsbury's remaining contract in a trade.

And yet the Yankees still haven't found any takers for the 34-year-old outfielder, who has batted just .261/.331/.372 over the last three seasons. Ellsbury is owed $21.142 million per year through 2020 and he carries a $21 million club option ($5 million buyout) for 2021. He also has a full no-trade clause, making this situation all the more difficult for New York.

[Ruzious]

That full no-trade clause... probably means pay me another mil or 2 and your finest crab cakes? 

[Il BuonO]

24 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I feel like I'm enabling most of you by posting this, but news is news. 

According to Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports, the Yankees are willing to pay "at least half" of Jacoby Ellsbury's remaining contract in a trade.

And yet the Yankees still haven't found any takers for the 34-year-old outfielder, who has batted just .261/.331/.372 over the last three seasons. Ellsbury is owed $21.142 million per year through 2020 and he carries a $21 million club option ($5 million buyout) for 2021. He also has a full no-trade clause, making this situation all the more difficult for New York.

If they eat half of that he’s just about worth the remainder (1.6 rWAR last year). Is he part of a deal for Machado? Do the Orioles take on his contract with the right deal for Machado?

He’s not without value, but the length of the remaining contract worries me. They could find someone of similar value on a one year deal. However, if taking him on as a catalyst to a deal for Machado, count me in.