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What grade do you give to the Orioles' offseason moves?  

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  1. 1. What grade do you give to the Orioles' offseason moves?

    • A -- it really couldn't have turned out much better, realistically
      16
    • B -- pretty good all things considered
      72
    • C -- meh, not awful but nothing to get excited about
      17
    • D -- maybe better than nothing, but that's all
      1
    • F -- complete waste of an offseason
      5

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Moose Milligan Hangout Grand Counsel

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On 3/21/2018 at 1:59 PM, Moose Milligan said:

I give it a C.  Cobb keeps it from keeping it a D.

Cashner is alright, but to say he's one of the top FA pitchers means to me that it was a weak FA pitching class.  Yes he had a 3.40 ERA last year but his FIP was 4.61 with a 4.6k/9 rate.  He should be better than Miley and Ubaldo but that's not saying much.

Rule 5 picks, whatever.  Rasmus, whatever.  Tillman, whatever.  Everything else, whatever.

I was hoping this offseason would show us a clear decision of blowing it up (trading everyone, hoarding prospects and MLB ready talent) or going all in and seeing if we could make another run.  I was in the blow it up camp but would have been fine with them pushing their chips to the middle of the table.

This offseason doesn't really signal that they've got the horses to make a run and get into the playoffs.  Yeah, we got a little better but not by leaps and bounds.  

 

Just sayin.

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Yea, I gave them a B and I still think that given the information I had at the time that was perfectly justifiable.  Drungo makes some good arguments earlier on in the thread that basically mirror my own thinking.

I can pretty much guarantee that no one was predicting we'd be the worst team in baseball and potentially challenge the 1954 and 1988 O's for worst record in team history.

Oh well, sometimes seasons like this are helpful reminders that places like Vegas are always going to do well because nothing in sports is perfectly predictable and sometimes things that seem nigh impossible come true.

 

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Since I neglected to vote for this way back after the end of the off season, with the benefit of hindsight I give them a solid 'F'.  The signings have turned out to not be very good and obviously holding onto our free agents to be wasn't wise either.  Horrible off season that, along with the Davis anchor around our necks, will set us back for years.  With the injuries and regression of players in the minors the future is looking very bleak.  

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1 hour ago, Ohfan67 said:

Ha! Good effort by corn and greg to sneak in F votes now!! :)

I guess I should have included a “close poll date” to avoid people doing that.   As mentioned in another thread yesterday, nobody who voted before the season began gave our offseason worse than a C.   It was 16% A, 68% B, 16% C.

Mods, please close it now to avoid further distortions.   

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On 3/21/2018 at 3:28 PM, DrungoHazewood said:

They won 75 games last year.  

They added Cashner (4.80 FIP) and Cobb (4.15 FIP), to replace guys with 5.60 and 6.80 ERAs.

Both had FIPS and ERAS over 5.00.

Manny had his worst year as a regular, at 3.5 wins.  He could/should be back to 5+.

Hit that on the head, although much of the year was for the Dodgers.

Davis hit .215/.309/.423.  He could do better.

He could also do much, much worse.

Trumbo "hit" .234/.289/.397.  He or his replacements could be better.

He hit quite a bit better but only played 90 games.

Jones is 32, but he mightn't slip much.

That was about right.

Hardy's .578 OPS has been jettisoned.

... and replaced with Beckham, Peterson, et al.  Which wasn't much of an improvement.

Rasmus is a good player.

Well, he was before his career ended with a 6-for-45 thud.

Joseph's defense might offset the loss of Castillo's offense.  Maybe.

Yea... no.  Not when he OPSes .575.

Schoop will probably regress, but he's still just 25.

I didn't really see that .273 OBP or the trade to the Brewers coming.

Mancini might not turn into Joe Charboneau.

Charboneau had a 78 OPS+ after his ROY season.  Mancini had a 97!

Gausman and Bundy might turn good stuff into better results.

Nope.  Or not until Gausman had an improved 50 innings with the Braves.

I'm not going to try to pretend this is a 90-win team that'll keep pace with Boston and New York, but it's not going to take a confluence of insane good luck to win more than 75.

I'm going to call myself out for unwarranted optimism.  Retrospective analysis in bold.  If you'd told me that Renato Nunez would have the highest OPS among semi-regulars at the end of the year I might have been somewhat less willing to defend the team.  Or if I'd known they gave starts to 10 different pitchers who'd end up with ERAs over 5.00.  Or that Yefry Ramirez would allow more earned runs in 65 innings than the NL ERA champ would allow all year.

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12 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

 

I'm going to call myself out for unwarranted optimism. The retrospective analysis is in bold. If you had told me that Renato Nunez would have the highest OPS among semi-regulars at the end of the year, I might have been somewhat less willing to defend the team.  Or if I had known that they gave starts to 10 different pitchers who'd end up with ERA's over 5.00. Or that Yefry Ramirez would allow more earned runs in 65 innings than the NL ERA champ would allow all year.

 

o

 

I don't think that anyone can top my gallon of Orange Gatorade ........ I had the Orioles going to the World Series, and then losing 4 games to 3 to either the Cardinals, the Braves, or the Mets.

 

Somewhat similar to you, my optimism was based largely on the fact that last year's team won 75 games in spite of a historically bad starting rotation, and that this year's team was adding Alex Cobb and Andrew Cashner (which would presumably fill 2 of the 3 gaping holes in last year's rotation outside of Bundy and Gausman.)

 

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On 6/18/2018 at 10:00 AM, Ohfan67 said:

Ha! Good effort by corn and greg to sneak in F votes now!! :)

 

On 6/18/2018 at 10:04 AM, Aglets said:

Yea, well done.  Definitely gives them the appearance of being clever...........good job gents!   ;)

I just want to point out that I dug out the thread and snuck in a vote the day before Moose bumped it.  ?

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So 80% of the votes were B or higher, and we still want to jump on Duke for a "poor offseason?"  

This team surprised all of us.  The players stunk, and the management of the team stunk.  But the majority of the voters thought it was a good offseason, so we should stop playing Monday Morning QB and act like we didn't like the Cobb and Cashner and other moves.  

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