As we dismantle, the thing that worries me

[esmd]

3 minutes ago, brianod said:

Arrieta and Strop?

Strop has a 7 ERA at the time of the trade.  People were ready to run him out of town.  Arietta wasn't much better and was out of options.  Win some, lose some.  But go ahead and keep backpedaling, now you've gone from every trade he's ever made to the low hanging fruit of the Arietta deal, which looks a lot worse in hindsight than it did at the time.

[atomic]

Some good trades in there.   

[24fps]

1 minute ago, Cy Bundy said:

That was an abysmal move.

Roundly applauded by almost everyone on this site at the time.  Correctly IMO.

[OFFNY]

36 minutes ago, brianod said:

 

Arrieta and Strop?

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, esmd said:

 

Strop has a 7 ERA at the time of the trade. People were ready to run him out of town. 

Arietta wasn't much better, and was out of options. 

You win some, you lose some ........ but go ahead and keep backpedaling, now you've gone from every trade he's ever made to the low-hanging fruit of the Arietta deal, which looks a lot worse in hindsight than it did at the time.

 

o

 

Correct.

 

With the way that Arrieta was pitching at the time of the trade, what/who/how much could Duquette have gotten for him at the time that he didn't get ???

Arrieta's numbers had gotten progressively worse each and every year that he had pitched for the Orioles.

These were Arrieta's ERA numbers each year that he pitched for the Orioles before he was traded. By that time, his numbers were not only not good, they weren't even mediocre ........ they were off-the-charts horrible. Duquette had no leverage whatsoever in terms of demanding anything more than what he got for Arrieta.

 

2010: lll 4.66ll

2011: lll 5.05

2012: lll 6.20

2013:  llll 7.23

 

His WHIP started out very high to begin with, lowered some over the next 2 years, and then went through the roof in his final season with the Orioles:

 

2010: lll 1.535

2011: lll 1.458

2012: lll 1.369

2013: lll 1.775

 

o

[OFFNY]

 

9 hours ago, Cy Bundy said:

 

Theo called it the most lopsided deal he has ever been a part of. It was terrible.

 

o

 

This is a direct quote from Theo Epstein about the Arrieta trade:

 

All along the Cubs knew Arrieta someday would channel his inner Bob Gibson, right?

"Of course not," President Theo Epstein said. "He obviously had top-of-the-rotation potential, but we weren't sure whether he would even command enough to be a starter or would have to go the bullpen."

"We sent him to AAA-Iowa to go back to what felt most natural to him and he punched out nine (strikeouts) over six innings in his third start with dominant stuff. I watched that game on the Internet, and he had wipeout stuff."

"We started to get excited about him, and looked forward to seeing what he could do with (pitching coach Chris Bosio) and our pitching infrastructure the last couple of months of the season in the big leagues."

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-jake-arrieta-deal-sullivan-baseball-spt-0424-20160423-column.html

 

 

Epstein stated that didn't even know if Arrieta would crack the Cubs' starting rotation when they acquired him in the trade, let alone turn into the Cy Young Award winner that he did. They traded for a starting pitcher and a relief pitcher whom were among the worst in all of baseball at the time of the trade. Because both players did a major turnaround after the trade (especially Arrieta), it wound up being one of the best trades in Cubs history after the fact.

It wasn't the Reds trading Frank Robinson in the prime of his career, it was the Orioles trading 2 players who were absolutely awful at the time of the trade, and whom did a complete 180 (again, especially Arrieta) after the trade. 

 

o

[theocean]

1 hour ago, brianod said:

Arrieta and Strop?

The issue with Arrieta wasn't that DD traded him and his 7+ ERA - it was that our lousy coaching staff couldn't develop him when the Cubs could. That's Buck's fault, IMO. Arrieta has even been quoted in interviews saying the O's coaches wouldn't let him be himself.

[oriolediehard]

He would have done a lot more if PA didn't get in his way.

[Luke-OH]

2 hours ago, Cy Bundy said:

 

The EdRod deal was a monumental error. The result of a deal is what matters, we lost badly. 

ERod was fair value for Andrew Miller, it was a good trade for both sides.

[Malike]

3 hours ago, Cy Bundy said:

 

The EdRod deal was a monumental error. The result of a deal is what matters, we lost badly. 

This is a gross exaggeration. Rodriguez hasn't been able to stay healthy enough to pitch a full season for Boston. Ever.

[weams]

 

[Bahama O's Fan]

Anyone who was on this site at the time of the Arrieta trade should remember that people were calling for him to just be DFA because he was so bad. At this time it looked like a win to get anything for him and Strop's control had been all over the place.

[DirtyBird]

6 hours ago, Cy Bundy said:

Theo called it the most lopsided deal he has ever been a part of. It was terrible.

Andrew Miller, 2014 Playoffs : 7.1 ip, 1 h, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 0 R, 8 K

E Rod, Career Playoffs: 0 ip, 1 h, 1 HBP, 2 R

[weams]

7 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

Anyone who was on this site at the time of the Arrieta trade should remember that people were calling for him to just be DFA because he was so bad. At this time it looked like a win to get anything for him and Strop's control had been all over the place.

Strop was going to be DFA. 

[DirtyBird]

6 hours ago, Cy Bundy said:

 

The EdRod deal was a monumental error. The result of a deal is what matters, we lost badly. 

How does game 1 of the 2014 ALDS go if Detroit has Andrew Miller and we don’t?

How about game 2?

[Chromehill]

6 hours ago, theocean said:

The issue with Arrieta wasn't that DD traded him and his 7+ ERA - it was that our lousy coaching staff couldn't develop him when the Cubs could. That's Buck's fault, IMO. Arrieta has even been quoted in interviews saying the O's coaches wouldn't let him be himself.

I think the issue with the trade was that Feldman was not going to be a difference maker for the team making the playoffs.   The 2013 team needed a lot more than Feldman to seriously contend, should have stood pat.  Of course Arietta would have done nothing in Baltimore.